Michael Weatherly costs CBS nearly $10 million...

[Kevin M.]

... as Eliza Dushku forced the network into arbitration when she was fired from his series after complaining about his on-set behavior.

Maybe Weatherly was merely a method actor channeling his inner Phil McGraw?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/business/media/cbs-bull-weatherly-dushku-sexual-harrasment.html

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Kevin M. (RPCV)

[M-D November]

Alternate subject for this thread: DiNooz-Oh No.

[David Bruggeman]

I have to wonder if there are similar incidents from NCIS that were part of all the weirdness alluded to when Pauley Perrette left.

[Jon Delfin]

Didn't he leave before she did? 

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[Doug Fields]

Yes, he did...but the Perrette thing was something between her and Mark Harmon.  Friction between the two of them that forced some creative scheduling, because she was rumored to have refused to appear on the same set with him in the last couple of months of shooting.  No specifics ever given, but the timing of the issues during the #metoo excitement didn't do much to quell the sexual harrassment/misconduct rumors (again, never confirmed anywhere as far as I heard).

Doug Fields

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[David Bruggeman]

I remember the discussion here didn't mention Weatherly or allude to him, but with the news about his behavior on Bull, I would not be surprised if there were allegations about his conduct on NCIS.

David

[Kevin M.]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 6:41 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I remember the discussion here didn't mention Weatherly or allude to him, but with the news about his behavior on Bull, I would not be surprised if there were allegations about his conduct on NCIS.

I’ve gotten to know a writer who wrote frequently about NCIS for TV Guide, and he’d never heard even a rumor of Weatherly misbehaving in a #metoo way on that set. 

I suppose one could deconstruct his very fast relationship with co-star Jessica Alba while shooting Dark Angel and imply there was more to their equally fast breakup than was reported, but now we’ve entered TMZ territory. 

To me, this reinforces that CBS management is virtually nonexistent or in meltdown mode. As was evidenced at FoxNews, when the guy at the top is up to no good, the environment for no good to occur down each rung of the ladder is almost unavoidable. And it’s now to the point where shareholders are going to lose gobs of money... which is the only way a change will occur. 

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[Jon Delfin]

Vulture has an interesting look at this.

https://www.vulture.com/2018/12/cbs-eliza-dushku-bull-toxic-culture.html

[Tom Wolper]

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:48 AM Jon Delfin <jond...@gmail.com> wrote:

Vulture has an interesting look at this.

https://www.vulture.com/2018/12/cbs-eliza-dushku-bull-toxic-culture.html

But that's what CBS is. Their audience is older and less urban and their comfort zone is strong, straight, white men and the women who love them. All of the harassment issues are issues of corporate governance and not a causation or correlation of the leads of their procedurals or their storylines.

[Kevin M.]

Pauley P stands by Weatherly 

https://twitter.com/pauleyp/status/1073913735800999936?s=21

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[M-D November]

I don't have the link, but Sasha Alexander ("Kate" from seasons 1 & 2 of NCIS) also came out to defend Weatherly on the Tweetiebox.

[David Bruggeman]

Dushku comments in The Boston Globe, explaining first why she didn't comment for the NYT piece (she presumed others involved would not comment).  As the kids might say, she appears to have receipts.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/12/19/eliza-dushku-responds-what-happened-cbs-took-job-and-because-objected-being-sexually-harassed-was-fired/OCh7h0pwg4Aq7xfwOUasyO/story.html

H/T Vulture, which has a summary of things here:

https://www.vulture.com/2018/12/eliza-dushku-michael-weatherly-bull-harassment.html

David

On Monday, December 17, 2018, 9:15:02 AM EST, M-D November <mdnov...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't have the link, but Sasha Alexander ("Kate" from seasons 1 & 2 of NCIS) also came out to defend Weatherly on the Tweetiebox.

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 7:34:57 PM UTC-5, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

Pauley P stands by Weatherly 

https://twitter.com/pauleyp/ status/1073913735800999936?s= 21

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 9:37 PM Tom Wolper <two...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 8:48 AM Jon Delfin <jond...@gmail.com> wrote:

Vulture has an interesting look at this.

https://www.vulture.com/2018/ 12/cbs-eliza-dushku-bull- toxic-culture.html

But that's what CBS is. Their audience is older and less urban and their comfort zone is strong, straight, white men and the women who love them. All of the harassment issues are issues of corporate governance and not a causation or correlation of the leads of their procedurals or their storylines.

Kevin M. (RPCV)

[Bob Jersey]

David Bruggeman, to M-D November et al, Wed. (12/19):

Dushku comments in The Boston Globe, explaining first why she didn't comment for the NYT piece (she presumed others involved would not comment).  As the kids might say, she appears to have receipts.

[Boston.com link]

H/T Vulture, which has a summary of things here:

[link]

David

Spielberg may be an exec, but is that only for financing reasons?

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[Adam Bowie]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:11 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Spielberg may be an exec, but is that only for financing reasons?

I *would* have suggested it's just a standard credit because Spielberg is chairman and CEO of Amblin TV. However it does look like there are other Amblin shows that don't name him as an Exec Producer.

But then IMDB lists 30+ individuals as having some kind of production credit in the course of this series...

[Kevin M.]

The Producers Guild is a lost cause in terms of putting a cap on superfluous producer credits. A well run production requires at most two producers, one to oversee the creative aspects and another to oversee the organizational/financial aspects... sometimes one person can handle both sides of the production, but two are really what is required. But now actors get producer credits, as do their managers and lawyers, as do the relatives of the head of studio, as do the catering crew. Credits are seen as free contract negotiating ploys, but it ultimately hurts a production, tarnishes the credibility of the actual producers, and opens up a lot of people to civil litigation. You and I both know that Spielberg neither knows nor cares what’s going on at a crummy little CBS procedural, but now he’s getting dragged into it. And don’t misunderstand me, Dushku has every right to drag him into it as his name is right there in bold text, but his name is only there because CBS knows his name in the credits gives viewers a false sense of value.

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[bermuda999]

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 8:28:57 PM UTC-5, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:28 AM Adam Bowie <ad...@adambowie.co.uk> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:11 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Spielberg may be an exec, but is that only for financing reasons?

I *would* have suggested it's just a standard credit because Spielberg is chairman and CEO of Amblin TV. However it does look like there are other Amblin shows that don't name him as an Exec Producer.

But then IMDB lists 30+ individuals as having some kind of production credit in the course of this series...

The Producers Guild is a lost cause in terms of putting a cap on superfluous producer credits. A well run production requires at most two producers, one to oversee the creative aspects and another to oversee the organizational/financial aspects... sometimes one person can handle both sides of the production, but two are really what is required. But now actors get producer credits, as do their managers and lawyers, as do the relatives of the head of studio, as do the catering crew. Credits are seen as free contract negotiating ploys, but it ultimately hurts a production, tarnishes the credibility of the actual producers, and opens up a lot of people to civil litigation. You and I both know that Spielberg neither knows nor cares what’s going on at a crummy little CBS procedural, but now he’s getting dragged into it. And don’t misunderstand me, Dushku has every right to drag him into it as his name is right there in bold text, but his name is only there because CBS knows his name in the credits gives viewers a false sense of value.

 

This is a serious question, if you know the answer: Does everyone listed as a producer receive a producer's fee, or can you hand out the title without the cash?

[Bob Jersey]

Kevin M, Thursday (12/20):

The Producers Guild is a lost cause in terms of putting a cap on superfluous producer credits. A well run production requires at most two producers, one to oversee the creative aspects and another to oversee the organizational/financial aspects... sometimes one person can handle both sides of the production, but two are really what is required. But now actors get producer credits, as do their managers and lawyers, as do the relatives of the head of studio, as do the catering crew. Credits are seen as free contract negotiating ploys, but it ultimately hurts a production, tarnishes the credibility of the actual producers, and opens up a lot of people to civil litigation. You and I both know that Spielberg neither knows nor cares what’s going on at a crummy little CBS procedural, but now he’s getting dragged into it. And don’t misunderstand me, Dushku has every right to drag him into it as his name is right there in bold text, but his name is only there because CBS knows his name in the credits gives viewers a false sense of value.

bermuda999, Friday (12/21):

 

This is a serious question, if you know the answer: Does everyone listed as a producer receive a producer's fee, or can you hand out the title without the cash?

Only the Guild knows for sure.

B

[PGage]

I think I have read that some lead actors in TV dramas ask for a producer credit without any extra pay because it gives them a legitimate rationale for being in the Writers Room at times, and in other ways suggest or lobby for story ideas.

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[Kevin M.]

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:27 PM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I have read that some lead actors in TV dramas ask for a producer credit without any extra pay because it gives them a legitimate rationale for being in the Writers Room at times, and in other ways suggest or lobby for story ideas.

That’s what agents tell their actor clients because that’s what studios tell the agents. If the actors are not in the WGA, they are not writing or exerting creative control. There are exceptions of course, but they are rare. 

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:40 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Kevin M, Thursday (12/20):

The Producers Guild is a lost cause in terms of putting a cap on superfluous producer credits. A well run production requires at most two producers, one to oversee the creative aspects and another to oversee the organizational/financial aspects... sometimes one person can handle both sides of the production, but two are really what is required. But now actors get producer credits, as do their managers and lawyers, as do the relatives of the head of studio, as do the catering crew. Credits are seen as free contract negotiating ploys, but it ultimately hurts a production, tarnishes the credibility of the actual producers, and opens up a lot of people to civil litigation. You and I both know that Spielberg neither knows nor cares what’s going on at a crummy little CBS procedural, but now he’s getting dragged into it. And don’t misunderstand me, Dushku has every right to drag him into it as his name is right there in bold text, but his name is only there because CBS knows his name in the credits gives viewers a false sense of value.

bermuda999, Friday (12/21):

 

This is a serious question, if you know the answer: Does everyone listed as a producer receive a producer's fee, or can you hand out the title without the cash?

Only the Guild knows for sure.

B

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[Steve Timko]

Actually, I heard that Spielberg was heavily involved in projects when they were first being developed but not so much once they actually started filming. The story passed along to me is that a writer was late to a meeting in which Amblin was involved and just grabbed the first available seat. He sat down and got shocked looks from everybody around the table. It turns out he grabbed a vacant seat next to Spielberg. He didn't recognize him and didn't expect him to be there.

[Kevin M.]

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 4:57 PM Steve Timko <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, I heard that Spielberg was heavily involved in projects when they were first being developed but not so much once they actually started filming. The story passed along to me is that a writer was late to a meeting in which Amblin was involved and just grabbed the first available seat. He sat down and got shocked looks from everybody around the table. It turns out he grabbed a vacant seat next to Spielberg. He didn't recognize him and didn't expect him to be there.

If it is anything like the “in name only” producers I’ve encountered, at the start of each season they usually host a weekend retreat with the writers ostensibly to bounce ideas around for episodes, but mostly it is a preproduction party. And that’s the last they will be seen for a year. I’d like to believe Spielberg is more hands-on than most, but it would shock me. 

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[Karen Owen]

I just read the book on Spielberg from the FAQ series

on various people, series and other topics in the world

of TV/movies.

The book included information on all the TV series he

has had his name on producer.  The early ones he even

included his name in the title like "Steven Spielberg

Presents Amazing Stories" which he actually contributed

to directly by writing stories, screenplays and directing.

It looks like now he has a couple of people who

work with him as part of his Amblin company

who represent him on the series the company produces.

Sometimes he puts his name in as a producer also.



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[Bob Jersey]

Kevin M, last December ('18):

... as Eliza Dushku forced the network into arbitration when she was fired from his series after complaining about his on-set behavior.

Maybe Weatherly was merely a method actor channeling his inner Phil McGraw?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/business/media/cbs-bull-weatherly-dushku-sexual-harrasment.html

Spielberg and his fellow execs have parted with "Bull," and Nellie suggests it was his convo with Dushku that put the doubt in their heads.

Several reports have the show renewed.

https://deadline.com/2019/05/bull-steven-spielberg-amblin-tv-pulls-out-cbs-drama-michael-weatherly-controsy-sexual-harassment-1202611184/ (link)

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[Bob Jersey]

Moi, May 9th:

CBS boss Kelly Kahl defends the renewal: “Michael made a mistake in his comments (to Dushku). He owned that mistake. He was apologetic at the time, and he was remorseful... He was willing to take any kind of coaching or training we deem necessary for him to create a positive environment on the set..."

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/cbs-bull-michael-weatherly-renewal-harassment-1203215628/ (link)

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[John Edwards]

They're fortunate because the training won't take very long.

LESSON 1: Don't be a dickhead.

LESSON 2: No, seriously. Don't be a dickhead.

LESSON 3: If in doubt, refer back to Lesson 1.

John

 

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