One critic's getting tired of cop shows...
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Bob Jersey
Jun 2, 2020, 1:38:05 PM6/2/20
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It can happen when some channels are dang-near-full of them...
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Tom Wolper
Jun 3, 2020, 10:27:22 AM6/3/20
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:38 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
It can happen when some channels are dang-near-full of them...
The thing about TV is that ratings and demographics provide a good feedback system. There are tons of cop-centric procedural shows on the air because people watch them and become attached to their characters. Any producer could propose a series where everyday citizens are the protagonists and the police are their antagonists. That doesn't mean anybody is going to watch it.
Bob Jersey
Jun 6, 2020, 9:32:45 AM6/6/20
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A THR podcast had "SVU" showrunner Warren Leight on to discuss this, and related issues... and he suggested that the George Floyd case "has to come up" in future storylines (hat-tip USA Today)...
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Brad Beam
Jun 6, 2020, 9:53:47 AM6/6/20
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From: 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvor...@googlegroups.com]
>A THR podcast had "SVU" showrunner Warren Leight on to discuss this, and related issues... and he suggested that the George Floyd case "has to come up" in future storylines (hat-tip USA Today)...
Meanwhile, "Cops" (Paramount) and "Live PD" (A&E) are off the schedules for now.
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Bob Jersey
Jun 6, 2020, 9:56:28 AM6/6/20
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Thanks. Had just spotted that on Variety as well. B
Adam Bowie
Jun 8, 2020, 6:55:14 AM6/8/20
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A couple of thoughts off the back of some of this thread.
If you've not listened to it, give the podcast "Running from COPS" a listen. There are only six episodes, but they really get into some of the massive issues seemingly harmless shows like COPS and more recently Live PD bring with them. In particular, running disclaimers, but then showing people being arrested for crimes they didn't actually commit because the shows don't bother much with the aftermath of the arrest sequence. And they're re-run eternally. The podcast did run a brief update last week in light of the current protests.
The other things was a line in the ex-chief's newsletter this week:
'I once asked Law & Order creator Dick Wolf why there’s never a storyline about wrongful conviction on his shows. “Usually the guy they arrest did it,” was his response.'
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On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Thanks. Had just spotted that on Variety as well. B
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PGage
Jun 8, 2020, 10:24:21 AM6/8/20
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Wolf’s comment is typical of producers of cop shows, but it also contrasts nicely with TV shows about defense attorneys, which periodically are poplar - and connects nicely with our thread about Perry Mason, a show in which the people arrested initially by the police are almost never guilty (at least of the crime they are charged with). Mason often (not always) is defending affluent white people (maybe more often less powerful members of the family and social circles around rich and powerful men - the women, assistants, unfavored children and family members in their lives. In the 60s and 70s there were more shows about defending innocent poor and minorities unjustly charged with serious crimes. It would be great if we could cycle back into defense lawyer shows.
There have also been some very good cop shows that paid more attention to the complexities and imperfections of policing - in different ways, Hill Street Blues, NYPD Blue, The Shield.
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Mark Jeffries
Jun 8, 2020, 2:57:26 PM6/8/20
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Tomorrow night, CBS is going to run a thumbsucker (OED: "a serious piece of journalism that concentrates on the background and interpretation of events rather than on the news or action; a think piece") on race with Gayle King at 10 p.m. replacing one of Dick Wolf's "FBI" franchise shows for the night. One wonders if King is going to bring up all of those cop shows that drive the Nielsens at CBS (yeah, along with Chuck Lorre sitcoms and "Survivor").
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Kevin M.
Jun 8, 2020, 3:36:18 PM6/8/20
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Is this particular thumb sucker being produced by the news division or the entertainment division?
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Mark Jeffries
Jun 8, 2020, 7:05:34 PM6/8/20
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I would assume CBS News.
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JW
Jun 9, 2020, 5:29:08 AM6/9/20
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> Is this particular thumb sucker being produced by the news division or the
> entertainment division?
CBS News. The graphic on the cbs.com schedule is the logo for CBS News Specials.
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Jun 9, 2020, 7:48:13 PM6/9/20
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On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 6:55:14 AM UTC-4, Adam Bowie wrote:
The other things was a line in the ex-chief's newsletter this week:'I once asked Law & Order creator Dick Wolf why there’s never a storyline about wrongful conviction on his shows. “Usually the guy they arrest did it,” was his response.'
Which proves my belief that Wolf hasn't paid any attention to anything on his shows except the money and the casting since the first few seasons of Original Recipe, given that there have been several storylines about wrongful convictions.
Brad Beam
Jun 9, 2020, 7:59:50 PM6/9/20
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>Meanwhile, "Cops" (Paramount) and "Live PD" (A&E) are off the schedules for now.
“Cops” has been downgraded to cancelled – which surprised my brother, thinking that happened long before.
Joe Hass
Jun 15, 2020, 5:58:32 AM6/15/20
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In fairness to him, it technically did.
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Bob Jersey
Jun 26, 2020, 8:51:45 AM6/26/20
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:38:05 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
It can happen when some channels are dang-near-full of them...
THR has the story of Rashad Robinson, a black activist who's been battling for 10 years to get the TV landscape, at least regarding cop shows, changed... the coming season's lineups don't impress him much, and danged if D!ck Wolf will even talk with him...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/inside-color-changes-renewed-fight-police-procedurals-1299824 (link)
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