Types in delete notifications

[Michael Giarlo]

Hi,

I have a question about how object types are exposed in notifications. When I create and update e.g. basic containers and non-RDF sources using Trellis 0.8.1, I see notifications emitted like the following:

{"@context":"https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams","id":"urn:uuid:9a6ef6ec-9c80-40aa-9310-e220905d4581","type":["http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#Activity","Create"],"actor":["http://www.trellisldp.org/ns/trellis#AnonymousAgent"],"object":{"id":"http://platform:8080/resourceTemplate:foo123:Something:Excellent","type":["http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#NonRDFSource"]},"published":"2019-05-07T16:06:10.022Z"}

The object ID and object type are correct, as I set them.

With a delete notification, on the other hand, the object type is set to LDP resource:

{"@context":"https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams","id":"urn:uuid:baa2b6e8-040f-4820-a790-21ac1383fef5","type":["http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#Activity","Delete"],"actor":["http://www.trellisldp.org/ns/trellis#AnonymousAgent"],"object":{"id":"http://platform:8080/resourceTemplate:foo123:Something:Excellent","type":["http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#Resource"]},"published":"2019-05-07T16:19:41.464Z"}

I am using these messages, and depending on type values, to index Trellis data into different indices, so if the LDP type on the delete notification is wrong, my delete operations fail because they are running deletes in the wrong indices.

This is true for both basic containers and non-RDF sources. Is this the intended behavior or a bug?

Thanks,

-Mike

[Aaron Coburn]

Hi Mike,

You are correct that delete notifications use ldp:Resource as the type value. This is the expected value here, based on the implementation, but you raise a good point about what that value _ought_ to be. The way I had thought about this in the past was: the ldp:BasicContainer (or other type) has been deleted so it's no longer really an ldp:BasicContainer, but it is still an ldp:Resource, so the notification will just use that value. But I think one can make another argument just as easily: this is an ldp:BasicContainer and it has just been deleted. And that second form is, in many ways, easier to understand. Code-wise, it would be trivial to change this.

Are there other thoughts on what this type ought to be? 

Aaron

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[Michael Giarlo]

Aaron,

Thanks for the explanation and for calling for more discussion.

I welcome others' thoughts on this, too. From my perspective, it was surprising to see the object type change in the delete notification after the create and update. Assuming folks are using these types to make decisions, such as I am, I would hope others might be open to making the change you describe.

-Mike

On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 10:18:14 AM UTC-7, Aaron Coburn wrote:

Hi Mike,

You are correct that delete notifications use ldp:Resource as the type value. This is the expected value here, based on the implementation, but you raise a good point about what that value _ought_ to be. The way I had thought about this in the past was: the ldp:BasicContainer (or other type) has been deleted so it's no longer really an ldp:BasicContainer, but it is still an ldp:Resource, so the notification will just use that value. But I think one can make another argument just as easily: this is an ldp:BasicContainer and it has just been deleted. And that second form is, in many ways, easier to understand. Code-wise, it would be trivial to change this.

Are there other thoughts on what this type ought to be? 

Aaron

On Tue, 7 May 2019 at 12:43, Michael Giarlo <michae...@stanford.edu> wrote:

Hi,

I have a question about how object types are exposed in notifications. When I create and update e.g. basic containers and non-RDF sources using Trellis 0.8.1, I see notifications emitted like the following:

{"@context":"https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams","id":"urn:uuid:9a6ef6ec-9c80-40aa-9310-e220905d4581","type":["http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#Activity","Create"],"actor":["http://www.trellisldp.org/ns/trellis#AnonymousAgent"],"object":{"id":"http://platform:8080/resourceTemplate:foo123:Something:Excellent","type":["http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#NonRDFSource"]},"published":"2019-05-07T16:06:10.022Z"}

The object ID and object type are correct, as I set them.

With a delete notification, on the other hand, the object type is set to LDP resource:

{"@context":"https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams","id":"urn:uuid:baa2b6e8-040f-4820-a790-21ac1383fef5","type":["http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#Activity","Delete"],"actor":["http://www.trellisldp.org/ns/trellis#AnonymousAgent"],"object":{"id":"http://platform:8080/resourceTemplate:foo123:Something:Excellent","type":["http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#Resource"]},"published":"2019-05-07T16:19:41.464Z"}

I am using these messages, and depending on type values, to index Trellis data into different indices, so if the LDP type on the delete notification is wrong, my delete operations fail because they are running deletes in the wrong indices.

This is true for both basic containers and non-RDF sources. Is this the intended behavior or a bug?

Thanks,

-Mike

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[Aaron Coburn]

Mike, I have also opened an issue for this on github: https://github.com/trellis-ldp/trellis/issues/398

The PR that changes the behavior to what you are suggesting is, indeed, trivial.

Thanks again for bringing this up; I think your suggestion to include the specific LDP type (rather than just ldp:Resource) is a better approach.

Best, Aaron

 

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[Michael Giarlo]

Thanks much, Aaron et al.!