Please reconfigure the subject line for this ML

[Saulius Krasuckas]

Hello, dear users

I am surprised the mailing list doesn't use some tag in the beginning
of a subject.

Because of this, messages from <tmux-...@googlegroups.com> now look
like personal emails or even SPAM to my eyes. Attaching the
screenshot.

Could the ML admin be as kind as to change the ML settings to add some
tag for the subject line? So anyone can identify the ML messages
easily.

Thanks in advance,
S.

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Saulius Krasuckas <saul...@gmail.com> [08-10-20 15:22]:

there are header files which you can filter on:

X-Google-Group-Id: 313771659951
List-Post: <https://groups.google.com/group/tmux-users/post>,
<mailto:tmux-...@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <https://groups.google.com/group/tmux-users
List-Subscribe: <https://groups.google.com/group/tmux-users/subscribe>,
<mailto:tmux-users...@googlegroups.com>
X-Envelope-From: tmux-users+bncBD5YVUVG...@googlegroups.com


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[Nicholas Marriott]

 Hi

I don't like mailing lists mangling the subject. You can filter the mail using the Mailing-List header.

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[Saulius Krasuckas]

Thanks for the tips, but this doesn't work on my side. I filter
through the content of the Forum tab in GMail using my own eyes.


BTW: Why do you call it mangling the subject ? Mangling (judging by
Google) means "destroying or severely damaging by tearing or
crushing". Which I categorically disagree with.

You probably have seen my screenshot in the first message. All the
prefixes seen here look like completely readable and quite short
strings.

Might it be that I can adjust ML settings per-subscriber by chance?

S.

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Saulius Krasuckas <saul...@gmail.com> [08-10-20 19:06]:

> Thanks for the tips, but this doesn't work on my side. I filter
> through the content of the Forum tab in GMail using my own eyes.

why can you not craft a gmail filter to achieve your wants?

> BTW: Why do you call it mangling the subject ? Mangling (judging by
> Google) means "destroying or severely damaging by tearing or
> crushing". Which I categorically disagree with.

mangling in this case is altering the header content.

> You probably have seen my screenshot in the first message. All the
> prefixes seen here look like completely readable and quite short
> strings.
>
> Might it be that I can adjust ML settings per-subscriber by chance?

have you tried?

[@lbutlr]

On 10 Aug 2020, at 13:20, Saulius Krasuckas <saul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am surprised the mailing list doesn't use some tag in the beginning
> of a subject.

Why?

> Because of this, messages from <tmux-...@googlegroups.com> now look
> like personal emails or even SPAM to my eyes. Attaching the
> screenshot.

You need to filter you mail. For this list you could filter on

Message is to tmux-users

or

List-id header contains tmux-users

> Could the ML admin be as kind as to change the ML settings to add some
> tag for the subject line?

I sure hope not.



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[Saulius Krasuckas]

* 2020-08-11 2:19 GMT+03:00, Patrick Shanahan <pa...@opensuse.org>:

> * Saulius Krasuckas <saul...@gmail.com> [08-10-20 19:06]:
>> Thanks for the tips, but this doesn't work on my side. I filter
>> through the content of the Forum tab in GMail using my own eyes.
>
> why can you not craft a gmail filter to achieve your wants?

I can, but I am used to filter using my eyes/brain only. And I would
like to keep workflow of reading my favourite OSS projects updates
intact.

>> BTW: Why do you call it mangling the subject ? Mangling (judging by
>> Google) means "destroying or severely damaging by tearing or
>> crushing". Which I categorically disagree with.
>
> mangling in this case is altering the header content.

You probably have a stricter meaning like "altering the header by
adding new lines".
Because the header content is altered by adding these fields too:

X-Google-Group-Id: 313771659951
List-Post: <https://groups.google.com/group/tmux-users/post>,
<mailto:tmux-...@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <https://groups.google.com/group/tmux-users
List-Subscribe: <https://groups.google.com/group/tmux-users/subscribe>,
<mailto:tmux-users...@googlegroups.com>
X-Envelope-From:
tmux-users+bncBD5YVUVG...@googlegroups.com

>> Might it be that I can adjust ML settings per-subscriber by chance?
>
> have you tried?

Now I did. Looks like earlier it had such possibility, but I don't see
it here (two pics attached):
https://support.google.com/a/answer/9689187?hl=en

Or maybe it works only for the whole group (for a group admin).

So, it doesn't work on the server side.
I tried to work around this on the GMail (web app) side, but no luck
here either:
https://support.google.com/mail/thread/5075071?hl=en&msgid=5096151

> Gmail has never had the ability to edit the headers or content of a
> received e-mail. You can only edit when replying or forwarding.
> Yes, some e-mail clients (like Outlook) allow such editing, but Gmail
> does not.

So it looks like I am left on my own (MDA- or even MRA/MUA-based
implementation like offlineimap + procmail) here. It's a lot of stuff
to learn, so I am a bit sad due to shortage of my spare time.

Thanks for confirming this, though.

S.

[Saulius Krasuckas]

* 2020-08-15 23:18 GMT+03:00, @lbutlr <kre...@kreme.com>:

> On 10 Aug 2020, at 13:20, Saulius Krasuckas <saul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am surprised the mailing list doesn't use some tag in the beginning
>> of a subject.
>
> Why?

Because all other mail sources I use for F/LOSS tracking does so.
And the consequence of trying to read tmux-users messages goes next:

>> Because of this, messages from <tmux-...@googlegroups.com> now look
>> like personal emails or even SPAM to my eyes. Attaching the
>> screenshot.

In case you missed an attached pic or the whole idead, I attach
another one (now with highlighting).

> You need to filter you mail. For this list you could filter on

OK, to filter and to do what next?

S.

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Saulius Krasuckas <saul...@gmail.com> [08-16-20 07:20]:

don't be dense. most would sort msgs into different containers,
directories instead of trying to dig them out of one large bucket.

and you have finally reached the pinnacle of discourtesies by posting
800k+ to a mailing list. and there is a simple solution

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[@lbutlr]

On 16 Aug 2020, at 05:18, Saulius Krasuckas <saul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> * 2020-08-15 23:18 GMT+03:00, @lbutlr <kre...@kreme.com>:
>> On 10 Aug 2020, at 13:20, Saulius Krasuckas <saul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am surprised the mailing list doesn't use some tag in the beginning
>>> of a subject.
>>
>> Why?
>
> Because all other mail sources I use for F/LOSS tracking does so.

Then you must not be on many lists.

> OK, to filter and to do what next?

Tag? Doty into a mailboxe? Add a subject tag yourself? Replace the from line with a display of emojis? Set the subject to splay in red text or a ochre background? Whatever you want. Polluting EVERYONE's subject lines with waste of space tags just because that works for you? Not so much.

> <GMail_inbox,_Forum_tab_with_most_of_mails_having_prefix_in_the_Subject_line.png>

No thanks, I have no interest in what you mail looks like.

And please do not send me copies of list posts. I already subscribe to the list, I do not need two copies of your posts.