About "implies" between WF and SF

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Huailin

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Jun 7, 2021, 1:42:15 AM6/7/21
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Hillel,

I am reading again your article this evening at https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/fairness/
I feel that the “Weak” fairness implies the existence of “strong” fairness. may introduce bit confusion to beginners. 
I mean, the "imply" word could make people get confused. I don't think you want to say:
WF implies SF, which means:  WF(A) --> SF(A).  However, from TLA+, It should be otherwise. I mean, SF(A)-->WF(A).
I guess you just wanted to tell readers that the "existence of SF". So, maybe we don't want to use "implies" word here, which is more a reserved word for prepositional logic.

Best regards,

Michael

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Jun 7, 2021, 4:04:07 PM6/7/21
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Hi Michael,

Gonna push a fix tonight. Feel free to email me directly about issues like this, I'll see them faster than stuff posted to the newsgroup :)

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Huailin

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Jun 7, 2021, 7:35:51 PM6/7/21
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Awesome. 

Yeah. The reason why I sent to our group is: I am not confident enough about my understanding about WF and SF and feel that maybe more EYES can discuss it. 

Sometimes, WF and SF relation indeed a bit confusing. I feel it is from the word of "weak" and "strong"

Below is my explanation:

Weak Fairness: Need STRONG condition --ALWAYS ENABLED
Strong Fairness:  Need Weak condition. --ONLY infinitely many ENABLED.

Hence, if  SF(A) is TRUE, then, surely, WF(A) shall be TRUE. 

Then,   SF(A)--->WF(A) is TRUE.  




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