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Jel
May 30, 2017, 6:53:42 AM5/30/17
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Is it possible, please, for a group to stand back and look at the public face of TW? What does a tyro see when he starts looking without anyone who knows his way around alongside him to train him? OK, the Classic TW is somewhat deprecated now, however recent changes like the loss of BT have not left a coherent model - you can end up hopping from repository to repository until the trail ends in a 404 dead link, and grammar references are getting thin.
It's all very well advanced users knowing their way around, however coming back to using it after a couple of years has given me a fresh outlook which is less than impressed, it's rather chaotic: you need to take people from toddler to pro, so if I'm looking for the grammar of how to use a slider, for example, I can - at the moment I can't. I evenually found it in my own archive, as I saw this coming.
It's not my intention to start any kind of flame war, simply to ask that you see yourselves as others see you and have a fresh look - at the moment you've got so specific counting angels on the heads of pins (I'm a mediaevalist these days, by that I mean attending to the minutiae of relatively minor headaches) you've lost sight of the overview, it rather appears. Perhaps you should ask Google to place a preferred autorised start point at the top of any search: at the moment add-ins are offered the same priority on search engines as TW itself, and when one adds in the different dialects used by customised variants, it's chaotic.
Sorry about being a little contentious, I'm trying to raise a delicate subject, to allow you to see yourselves as others might see you.
It's all very well advanced users knowing their way around, however coming back to using it after a couple of years has given me a fresh outlook which is less than impressed, it's rather chaotic: you need to take people from toddler to pro, so if I'm looking for the grammar of how to use a slider, for example, I can - at the moment I can't. I evenually found it in my own archive, as I saw this coming.
It's not my intention to start any kind of flame war, simply to ask that you see yourselves as others see you and have a fresh look - at the moment you've got so specific counting angels on the heads of pins (I'm a mediaevalist these days, by that I mean attending to the minutiae of relatively minor headaches) you've lost sight of the overview, it rather appears. Perhaps you should ask Google to place a preferred autorised start point at the top of any search: at the moment add-ins are offered the same priority on search engines as TW itself, and when one adds in the different dialects used by customised variants, it's chaotic.
Sorry about being a little contentious, I'm trying to raise a delicate subject, to allow you to see yourselves as others might see you.
@TiddlyTweeter
May 30, 2017, 2:21:21 PM5/30/17
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Jel wrote:
I agree. Its chaotic & fragmentary (experientially). And it favours micro tech interests over completed applications. No ordinary user is gonna be interested in knowing that have to do 7 complex steps to get moving.
In mitigation I would say that the active developers are really passionate and not deaf to user needs. BUT they are few and dealing with ongoing tech issues, not so much auto-focused on ordinary usage.
It most likely TW needs a Marketing Branch, IMO, of people who are face-outwards to get it better known & used.
Josiah
It's all very well advanced users knowing their way around, however coming back to using it after a couple of years has given me a fresh outlook which is less than impressed, it's rather chaotic...
I agree. Its chaotic & fragmentary (experientially). And it favours micro tech interests over completed applications. No ordinary user is gonna be interested in knowing that have to do 7 complex steps to get moving.
In mitigation I would say that the active developers are really passionate and not deaf to user needs. BUT they are few and dealing with ongoing tech issues, not so much auto-focused on ordinary usage.
It most likely TW needs a Marketing Branch, IMO, of people who are face-outwards to get it better known & used.
Josiah
Mat
May 31, 2017, 9:01:09 AM5/31/17
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Jel wrote:
Is it possible, please, for a group to stand back and look at the public face of TW?
Are you referring to tiddlywiki.com or perhaps tw on github or some kind of total TW presence on the web?
...so if I'm looking for the grammar of how to use a slider, for example, I can - at the moment I can't. I evenually found it in my own archive, as I saw this coming.
The documentation on tiddlywiki.com is not clear enough? Not findable? (And, actually, the term "slider" is not really used in TW5. We used in in TWC but it became ambiguous as slider these days refer to sliding images. In TW5, it is probably the revealwidget one is after.)
ask Google to place a preferred autorised start point at the top of any search:
Given the single-file nature of TW I'm not sure that is possible.
Further specific suggestions are welcome. Even if I should add that most questions about the website tiddlywiki.com and the github repository are solely up to Jeremy to decide about.
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