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Conceptually, I could see this as a "sandbox" mechanism where I could inject all of my tiddlers into the innerwiki and then try risky plugins/modifications/etc. How can we inject the outer wiki user contents into the inner wiki?
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<$data $filter="[!is[system]]"/>
<$data filter="[!is[system]]"/>But I just tested it on the demo site after creating some new tiddlers and it doesn't seem to work. I'm not seeing any of the new tiddlers in the innerwiki.
While you are focused on this idea.
I can see using an innerwiki to generate or import test data that could be tested against the outer wiki with no permanent impact. No need to make wiki copies, and quick retesting after outer wiki is modified.
On a related matter to innerwikis
Would it be possible for us to inject tiddlywiki data into an iframe around a html javascript page and get some results back?
Such html javascript could be designed to do things we cant do in tiddlywiki like tw5 dom insensitive javascript tools and functions, or even php auth, database queries and more. If these could appear to be in tiddlywiki but are not we could speed the inclusion of a lot of other open source solutions - perhaps discord, image conversion tools, svg design tools and more.
I am possibly taking this too far, but what if these "seperate" pages are actualy served from tiddly server, tiddlers from the outer wiki, like the single tiddlers view can be served? Like innerwikis, these would be "inner pages". This would help us "script kiddies" and provide rapid intergrations perhaps even openid auth.
Regards
Tony
<$innerwiki width="1200" height="400" style="width:100%;" filename="screenshot-2.png">
<$data title="HelloThere" text="This tiddler is inside a wiki"/>
<$data title="$:/DefaultTiddlers" text="HelloThere"/>
<circle cx="600" cy="50" r="40" stroke="black" stroke-width="2" fill="green" />
</$innerwiki>
\define big-arrow(x,y,colour:"#ff0000",border:"#000000")
<g transform="translate($x$,$y$)">
<path d="m-81.43106,34.99315l40.25737,-49.78116l40.25737,49.78116l-20.12869,0l0,50.02069l-40.25737,0l0,-50.02069l-20.12869,0l0,0z" fill="$colour$" stroke="$border$" stroke-dasharray="null" stroke-linecap="null" stroke-linejoin="null" stroke-width="5" transform="rotate(49.3775 -41.1737 35.1129)"/>
</g>
\end<$innerwiki width="1200" height="400" style="width:100%;" filename="screenshot-2.png">
<$data title="HelloThere" text="This tiddler is inside a wiki"/>
<$data title="$:/DefaultTiddlers" text="HelloThere"/>
<circle cx="600" cy="50" r="40" stroke="black" stroke-width="2" fill="green" />
<<big-arrow 600 50>>
</$innerwiki>
> I am possibly taking this too far, but what if these "seperate" pages are actualy served from tiddly server, tiddlers from the outer wiki, like the single tiddlers view can be served? Like innerwikis, these would be "inner pages". This would help us "script kiddies" and provide rapid intergrations perhaps even openid auth.
You’re asking if the wiki in the iframe could be served from somewhere else, but still have tiddlers injected into it: that could be done via the window.postMessage() I mentioned on another thread.
I am suggesting what If I have a plain text tiddler, that contains a HTML page including head and body, javascript, including libraries etc... The kind of thing I may find available in a javascript library for special features or a nice landing page layout (It is not used for anything in the parent). It is merely stored in the parent wiki. Lets us call it the HTML-Tool ,Then we could do one of two things;
- Present the HTML-Tool at an address such as https:/hostname.com/tiddlername similar to the single Tiddler view, but simply deliver it, as it is, to the browser, as if it were a standalone html+ file.
- Generate an Inner (perhaps not innerwiki but innerhtml or innerpage) that is an iframe to the aforementioned HTML-Tool without any Tiddlywiki just rendered as in the first case.
In both circumstances it would be nice if some rudimentary string could be passed to and from such HTML-Tool, perhaps that looks like a json tiddler in the parent wiki, and json file in the HTML-Tool?It is in someways taking the single file concept further allowing tiddlywiki to host other content in its server, a bit like the 5.1.18 feature Adds support for serving static file attachments over HTTP)I could see myself hosting in my TiddlyWiki a html page that lets people register as a member in my wordpress member site. No need to manage a separate file, it lives in my wiki, but is served by the tiddlywiki server.RegardsTony
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That is exciting, but could you point me to how I can do this, or even sufficent info for self study? I would like to use and document this since it is not suggested in relation to tiddlywiki and could provide some solutions to some of our lasting problems and expand tiddlywiki use and audience.
Thanks
Tony
<$innerwiki> widget<$data> widget
- Could I be so bold as to point out since the data widget is quite specific to the workings of Innerwiki it is quite a generic name.
- Not only may it cause confusion with processing data tiddlers but it is using a widget name that may very well have a future application.
- Would it be too late to rename this to the wikidata widget or some other name before this goes into production?
SpeculationOne use I see at some point for the data widget would be the construction of a data widget designed to act on items in a datatiddler such as iterate, add, change and delete and lookup.
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Could you expand on the following please.
I think we can do most of that already. The <$data> widget is declarative and so it only helps with operations like that as a way to package their parameters.
Since your data widget defines blobs perhaps it could be a blob widget? I am still wrapping my head around this.
Regards
Tony