[TW5] Native Backup Support a la TiddlyDesktop?

[Scott Simmons]

Apologies in advance for what may amount to me spamming the group over the next couple of days.  As is my usual year-end tradition, I'm tearing through all the non-urgent Post-It Notes on my desk and trying to do something about them.  Many of this autumn's Post-Its fall under the category of "ask about this TW5 feature/bug/behavior" — !

Jeremy has mentioned incorporating backup creation into TW5, starting with the same sort of backup mechanism currently available in TiddlyDesktop.  I also remember some discussion of giving TiddlyFox the ability to create backups, since it does all the saving in Firefox.  But it's been a while since I've seen anything about this, and my memory and understanding are foggy.

Is this something that could be incorporated into the TW core?  Or does it need to be written into the saving mechanisms [TiddlyFox, TiddlyDesktop/node.js, TiddlySaver.jar (if that's still around?)]?

Or would the core simply trigger the saving mechanism twice in succesion, once to save over the existing file and once to save a backup?

Is this still on the roadmap?  Is there a GitHub pull request for it, or has it not progressed that far yet?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Scott

I think the plans you’re referring to are my intention to update TiddlyFox to perform backups in the same scheme as TiddlyDesktop. I’m going to have to update TiddlyFox in the next two or three months because of upcoming changes to Firefox in any case.

> Is this something that could be incorporated into the TW core?  Or does it need to be written into the saving mechanisms [TiddlyFox, TiddlyDesktop/node.js, TiddlySaver.jar (if that's still around?)]?

It’s really related to the saver in use. The fallback HTML5 saver already supports backups if you allow the downloaded files to accumulate.

(There’s no support for TiddlySaver.jar in TW5 because of the security concerns over the last few years about Java).

Best wishes

Jeremy

On 31 Dec 2015, at 13:47, Scott Simmons <goo...@secret-hq.com> wrote:

Apologies in advance for what may amount to me spamming the group over the next couple of days.  As is my usual year-end tradition, I'm tearing through all the non-urgent Post-It Notes on my desk and trying to do something about them.  Many of this autumn's Post-Its fall under the category of "ask about this this TW5 feature/bug/behavior" — !

Jeremy has mentioned incorporating backup creation into TW5, starting with the same sort of backup mechanism currently available in TiddlyDesktop.  I also remember some discussion of giving TiddlyFox the ability to create backups, since it does all the saving in Firefox.  But it's been a while since I've seen anything about this, and my memory and understanding are foggy.

Is this something that could be incorporated into the TW core?  Or does it need to be written into the saving mechanisms [TiddlyFox, TiddlyDesktop/node.js, TiddlySaver.jar (if that's still around?)]?

Or would the core simply trigger the saving mechanism twice in succesion, once to save over the existing file and once to save a backup?

Is this still on the roadmap?  Is there a GitHub pull request for it, or has it not progressed that far yet?

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[Scott Simmons]

On Thursday, December 31, 2015 at 10:14:40 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

It’s really related to the saver in use. The fallback HTML5 saver already supports backups if you allow the downloaded files to accumulate.

(There’s no support for TiddlySaver.jar in TW5 because of the security concerns over the last few years about Java).

Thanks for answering!  I figured TiddlySaver.jar was lost to history now but wasn't entirely sure.