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>>START a TiddlyWikiNewbie that contains ONLY info for beginners
Because TiddlyWiki is such a complex and functional product, making a distinction between newbie and "not newbie" questions is very hard ...
I would add to the idea of formed applications, another layer of self contained modules, as is often the outcome of a specific plugin rather than an whole edition.
I plan to build something I call object tiddlers, and hope to create lego blocks rather than provide a lego kit for the "millennium falcon", I want to provide engines, landing gear and "nuclear power piles". So you build your spaceship, not simply ask questions or follow instructions.
What is MISSING is a MINIMALIST way forward when you start. A place to ASK about real basics.
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Pinned threads would be very helpful!
I can see an argument for adding more FAQ type docs to tiddlywiki.com. That is the minimalist way, ie a <<link-list "Basics">> or similar.
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So how do I sign up for the Reddit group and actually start using it?
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:39 PM, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddly...@assays.tv> wrote:
I totally agree. AND disagree. BEFORE tiddlywiki.com how about PINNING here? The problem with talking about tiddlywiki.com is its one step too far away from anyone but @Jermolene doing anything. Like its "over there that it gets done" (by who?).
The issue, at root is about MAKING A DECISION amongst those who would do it THEN LOBBY @Jermolene to get it moved on. IMO, I think PINNED threads here in GG could be a way to develop such material in an incremental manageable fashion.
Best wishes
Josiah
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:22:46 UTC+2, ste...@gmail.com wrote:On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:I can see an argument for adding more FAQ type docs to tiddlywiki.com. That is the minimalist way, ie a <<link-list "Basics">> or similar.I don't know how often this has been discussed already, but tiddlywiki.com could also use more examples (e. g. for the usage of macros, widgets, filters etc.) Examples are often the easiest way to understand new concepts. Many Linux man pages suffer from the same problem, by the way.Cheers,Stef
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What Newbies need, IMO, is a simple Google group with basic instructions and Q & A. And LINKS to FULL-FEATURED completed TW designed for SPECIFIC PURPOSES so they can download what they need to get on with it and forget everything else.
On whether TW is here for the long haul? YES, it is. It is a remarkable bit of kit that has proven resilient for over a decade already.
The fact the user base is small compared to TW's huge utility is a sad thing. IMO if we provided more FULLY FORMED apps in a simple way it would get used a lot more.
... IMO if we provided more FULLY FORMED apps in a simple way it would get used a lot more.
First I think you may find a lot of people discover tiddlywki and go away and use it ...
I agree some fully formed apps in a directory would be good but I would like to suggest we do have some of these and I for one are impressed by them, they are on my HDD, they inspire me, but I do not use them...
What Newbies need, IMO, is a simple Google group with basic instructions and Q & A...
I agree but unless a group/forum is part of something the non-newbies frequent it will need a collaborative effort to maintain...
To kick off, for a long time my ambition for migrating from Google Groups has been to eat our own dog food and move to a TiddlyWiki-based discussion board...
Josiah’s original question was whether it was worth keeping the TiddlyWikiDocs and TiddlyWikiDev groups because they seem peripheral...
I’m not sure that I can see any case for closing them.
... a critical thing is that in a classical open source project these are mailing lists, and not forums.
... I am preparing an update for TiddlyDesktop with the latest version of nw.js, so that will remain an option for Firefox refugees
* ... Stack Exchange could only host a component of our online community ...
* Josiah’s comments about "HERE IS THE SCREENPLAY MAKER" & "THERE IS THE BRILLIANT GTD SYSTEM” suggest that we’ve not done a good job of communicating the purpose of “editions” of TiddlyWiki. The intention is precisely as described: a series of canned, off-the-shelf starter wikis for various specific purposes. The presentation isn’t good at the moment but that particular wheel has been invented...
* Josiah suggests catering for the needs of newbies to TiddlyWiki is with a dedicated discussion group ... it’s even more important that we cater for newbies at tiddlywiki.com.
* There’s often a feeling that making changes to tiddlywiki.com isn’t practical, which I think is why we’re discussing using pinned threads to solve problems that should really be solved on the main site. I’m very much open to contributions that make changes, but those contributions have to happen…
Noted. I apologise for referring to it a few times as "Retired". I genuinely formed the idea that TiddlyServer was its nemesis.
That is REALLY INTERESTING COMMENT. I do not get this GG through Email. To me IT IS A FORUM.
* There’s often a feeling that making changes to tiddlywiki.com isn’t practical, which I think is why we’re discussing using pinned threads to solve problems that should really be solved on the main site. I’m very much open to contributions that make changes, but those contributions have to happen…
To kick off, for a long time my ambition for migrating from Google Groups has been to eat our own dog food and move to a TiddlyWiki-based discussion board...
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There's a lot of work between here and there.
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Josiah
I say we start here. Right now. Discuss what would we like to see in a "Welcome" thread...
How can i say PINNED THREAD when so many people here would never see it on GG?
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It comes in a single file which can be opened and edited in any browser and saved back to you usb stick or your pc.
If you want more there are off the shelf plugins available to add functionality to your Wiki and the ability to customise it into something unique and bespoke for your needs.
You can get started by downloading your own from tiddlywiki.com.