TiddlyFox seemed to stop working

[Ed]

Hej All,

An hour or so ago I could not save my TW5's anymore.
When loading a TW5-file the familiar warning did not show up.
I see that TiddlyWiki for FireFox is updated just today.
I'm using FireFox 52.0.2 (32 bits)
When saving I am offered to download the file after that
I need to reload to continue working.
What's up, Jeremy?
Thanks in advance for comments.
Tschüß! Ed

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Ed

An hour or so ago I could not save my TW5's anymore.

When loading a TW5-file the familiar warning did not show up.
I see that TiddlyWiki for FireFox is updated just today.
I'm using FireFox 52.0.2 (32 bits)
When saving I am offered to download the file after that
I need to reload to continue working.
What's up, Jeremy?

When you first load a TiddlyWiki file from a file:// URI the TiddlyFox toolbar icon will show a blue ball. Clicking it will bring up a panel with a big green "Enable" button that enables saving for that file. The TiddlyFox toolbar icon then switches to green to indicate that saving is enabled.

The permission settings are preserved between sessions, but are not carried over from earlier versions of TiddlyFox.

Best wishes

Jeremy

Thanks in advance for comments.
Tschüß! Ed

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[Zyb]

I just lost some work because of this. There was no warning, just the download prompt which I declined. Since the TW save message was displayed and the save icon lost its highlight, I’d assumed that everything was okay. On reload, my edits were gone. I only noticed the new icon now that I read this thread. :-/

[Ed]

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I am sorry, I should have written in my original post that I had seen and read
your instructions about the blue ball turning into green. But I do not see a TiddlyFox toolbar icon in the form of a blue
ball anywhere in the toolbars. Yeah the little black cat in blue in the tab. 8-))
Menu bar and tool bar are available in my FireFox. What am I doing wrong?

I downloaded a fresh TW5 from TiddlyWiki.com and installed the latest version of TiddlyFox here at home (Windows 7),
as the problem occured on my computer at work (Windows 10)
Any help would be appreciated.
Tschüß! Ed


Op woensdag 12 april 2017 16:43:26 UTC+2 schreef Ed:

[RichardWilliamSmith]

This just happened to me too - I think firefox automatically updated itself (I now have version 52.0.2). Unclear whether "tiddlyfox" also updated itself - it now seems to be called "tiddlywiki for firefox". As Zyb says, the download dialogue was triggered but the wiki appeared to otherwise save as normal.

The blue/green ball has motovun jack stood on it and looks like this

Regards,

Richard

[Ed]

Hi Richard,

Thank you for posting the picture of the TiddlyFox toolbar icon. No for the love of Pete
I do not see it anywhere in the toolbar.
Might there be any other add-on interfering? I have uBlock Origin installed, but that is
switched of when I use a TW5 file from one of my hard-drives.
Like I said I'm using FireFox 52.0.2 (32 bits)

When I save the download dialog is triggered and I must save otherwise the new tiddler I made is lost
when I continue to use the original TW file I was working on. I only can continue working If I open that
 new version in FireFox. Is really a hassle. Hope that someone can help as it impedes my work greatly.

Salut! Ed.





Op donderdag 13 april 2017 02:53:24 UTC+2 schreef RichardWilliamSmith:

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Ed

Thank you for posting the picture of the TiddlyFox toolbar icon. No for the love of Pete
I do not see it anywhere in the toolbar.

It may be in the popup part of the toolbar, as shown below. If so, you can click “Customize” and drag it onto the main part of the toolbar

Best wishes

Jeremy.

Might there be any other add-on interfering? I have uBlock Origin installed, but that is
switched of when I use a TW5 file from one of my hard-drives.
Like I said I'm using FireFox 52.0.2 (32 bits)

When I save the download dialog is triggered and I must save otherwise the new tiddler I made is lost
when I continue to use the original TW file I was working on. I only can continue working If I open that
 new version in FireFox. Is really a hassle. Hope that someone can help as it impedes my work greatly.

Salut! Ed.





Op donderdag 13 april 2017 02:53:24 UTC+2 schreef RichardWilliamSmith:

This just happened to me too - I think firefox automatically updated itself (I now have version 52.0.2). Unclear whether "tiddlyfox" also updated itself - it now seems to be called "tiddlywiki for firefox". As Zyb says, the download dialogue was triggered but the wiki appeared to otherwise save as normal.

The blue/green ball has motovun jack stood on it and looks like this

Regards,

Richard

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[Stephen Kimmel]

This happened to me as well and I don't see anyway for it to happen unless Firefox automatically updated the add-ins. I count automatic updates that change how the add-in works without notification as being a big mistake.

I seem to be constantly telling the thing that I want to enable saving for the wiki even though I haven't knowingly updated anything. Does clearing the cache, cookies, etc, also reset whether TiddlyFox has saving enabled? If so, is there some way to change that behaviour?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Apologies, I hadn’t appreciated the impact of the change; I have to rely on feedback from beta testers to smooth out the rough edges of things. (The new version of TiddlyFox has been available as a beta for about 3 months).

This happened to me as well and I don't see anyway for it to happen unless Firefox automatically updated the add-ins. I count automatic updates that change how the add-in works without notification as being a big mistake.

The automatic update was a surprise to me, too. I submitted the add-on for approval on 21st February and had almost given up hope that it would be approved before the release of a version of Firefox that broke TiddlyFox.

I seem to be constantly telling the thing that I want to enable saving for the wiki even though I haven't knowingly updated anything. Does clearing the cache, cookies, etc, also reset whether TiddlyFox has saving enabled? If so, is there some way to change that behaviour?

TiddlyFox settings are stored using the Firefox extension standard storage API for preference storage. I guess that it probably does get cleared if you nuke things sufficiently powerfully; hard to see a way to avoid that other than to store preferences somewhere non-standard, which seems like extra work, and makes the Mozilla review process more complex.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[Webcorerad]

Ohhh :( I’ve just lost a day of work because of this as well. It didn’t save anything, the computer freeze and I’ve had to restart it. When I opened TiddlyWiki again all work was gone. I didn’t have clicked on the TiddlyFox icon and the green button to enable the save again.

The icon change is so subtle I didn’t noted it…

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Apologies, I hadn’t appreciated the impact of the change; I have to rely on feedback from beta testers to smooth out the rough edges of things. (The new version of TiddlyFox has been available as a beta for about 3 months).

This happened to me as well and I don't see anyway for it to happen unless Firefox automatically updated the add-ins. I count automatic updates that change how the add-in works without notification as being a big mistake.

The automatic update was a surprise to me, too. I submitted the add-on for approval on 21st February and had almost given up hope that it would be approved before the release of a version of Firefox that broke TiddlyFox.

I seem to be constantly telling the thing that I want to enable saving for the wiki even though I haven't knowingly updated anything. Does clearing the cache, cookies, etc, also reset whether TiddlyFox has saving enabled? If so, is there some way to change that behaviour?

TiddlyFox settings are stored using the Firefox extension standard storage API for preference storage. I guess that it probably does get cleared if you nuke things sufficiently powerfully; hard to see a way to avoid that other than to store preferences somewhere non-standard, which seems like extra work, and makes the Mozilla review process more complex.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[Andrew Ashling]

Hi All,

I have two questions:

1. TiddlyFox updated automatically on FireFox because I had left the update option at "Default," and I can see the icon. Do I understand correctly that I also need to enable this for every TWClassic file?

2. In actual practice I use the combo TWC+PaleMoon most of the time. I've temporary frozen updates and I'm still using 1.0Alpha18.1, last updated 05/02/2016, on PaleMoon. Is there any reason why I should upgrade TiddlyFox on PaleMoon?

[Sergio Rolim]

THANKS!

[Ed]

Hi Jeremy,

Thank you again for all your efforts to help out. At the moment I am at work and right away
checked the pop-up part of the toolbar. Unfortunately to no avail, no little black cat on ball.
The rest is identical to the picture you posted; only difference that we use here the Dutch
variety, languagewise I mean, of FireFox.

BTW, you don't have to apologise. The immense effort you are putting in this wonderful piece
of software is highly comendable!

Still love it!
Salut! Ed
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Op donderdag 13 april 2017 10:42:56 UTC+2 schreef Jeremy Ruston:

[HowardM]

I am having the same problem.  All my wikis saved a few days ago.  Now, after not using them for a couple of days, none save in the usual way - I have to save manually using the standard firefox method and overwrite the current file.  Downloading the latest version of TW5, Firefox and Tiddlyfox then reloading Firefox makes no difference.  I have no Tiddlyfox icon anywhere on my screen including the dropdown part of the toolbar, despite the fact that Firefox notified me that it had been downloaded.  The add-ons manager confirms that Tiddlywiki for Firefox has been installed.

I have even tried creating a new wiki (from the TW5 website) and when opened the usual Tiddlyfox dialog, giving me the option of using it, did not appear.  

Grateful for any advice.

[Coda Coder]

Not sure if this will get through, google seems to hate me at the moment...

I've written out a substantial set of steps regarding the problem and
emailed it to Jeremy - hopefully, he'll be able to address this issue in
a couple of days or so.

The TL;DR is - if you're seeing this issue with Tiddlyfox, you need to
go back to the previous version. [1]

I have spent (too) many hours trying to figure out the cause, and failed
to do so. In brief, I have a system that produces Firefox profiles "at
the touch of a button" -- actually, a Tiddlywiki that generates batch
files that drive a single instance install of Firefox using multiple
profiles, each being used by one single Tiddlywiki document. In total,
I have 21 TWs running under this scheme.

Of the 21 TWs, 5 are working correctly, 9 are exhibiting this problem.
The rest I haven't allowed to update yet/haven't tested. Using the
system described above, I can easily test and retest using the older and
newer versions of tiddlyfox. Alas, I have not been able to distinguish
ANYTHING that exposes the root cause.

My other environment details are:

Win 7
Firefox 52.0.1

Codacoder

[1] The new version of tiddlyfox has a size on disk 51KB. The older
version had size 18KB. I do not have a source or link for the older
version - perhaps someone can put one up on the web someplace.

[Steven Schneider]

My students have also noted these issues.

I think we have found these steps to work:

1 > Download a new version of TiddlyFox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tiddlyfox/, Version 2.01)
2 > The first time you open a wiki (even those you've saved before) you need to **manually** tell TiddlyFox to save it, as shown in the image (not sure how to get an image to float to the bottom on google groups).

[Birthe C]

I like the warning when opening the same TW in more than one tab. The icon turns very red and visible.

[Coda Coder]

The problem is the tiddlyfox icon/button does not appear in the toolbar for some installs. If you can *see* the button, you're fine. If you can't see it, you can't click it.

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[Ed]

Hi HowardM,

That's exactly what I also tried to do.
Fresh TW5 install, fresh TiddlyFox install.
Result: No Toolbar icon anywhere.

Cordialement, Edouard.





Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 19:31:51 UTC+2 schreef HowardM:

[Ed]

You lucky bastards 8-)))
Salut! Ed



Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 22:44:31 UTC+2 schreef Steven Schneider:

[Ed]

Hi Jeremy,

I see that you are slaving away at the keyboard, cause I noticed that the
latest updaet was dated 15-4-2017 and the time is now just after 02:00.
Thank you so much for trying so hard!

Best Regards! Ed
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Op woensdag 12 april 2017 16:43:26 UTC+2 schreef Ed:

Hej All,

[John Pradkin]

Hi Jeremy,

I've noticed Firefox private windows seem to negated any of the TiddlyFox settings. Everying thing works as you've describe when using normal windows, but once I switch to private windows I am forced back to overwriting the file to save changes. Hope this helps.

Also, I am new to Tiddling and want to thank you and the community for this wonder brain extension. I normally have a lot of scatter thoughts and this is the first method of capturing them that actually works. The ability to represent ideas is almost effortless, by the time I take my first brake I have a complex thought wonderfully represented.

Thanks for the effort,
John

[Ed]

Dear All

Out of curiosty I installed TiddlyFox on TenFourFox, the special version of FireFox for Macs with a PPC
(Yeah, I still use on 20 inch G4 with multidirectional movable arm for video editing; still works, slowly, but works!)

And lo behold Motovun cat on the ball appeared in the toolbar. Loaded a fresh TW5. Black bal turned blue.
Click to make it green = OK and I could save to my heart's delight.

But my main use is at work keeping track of actvities and describing changes made to items in a database.
So little consolation so far.

But Jeremy is keeping his eye on the ball as the last update was today 16th. Thanks Jeremy for trying!!
Tschüß, Ed
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[mervin mecklenburg]

I am still having the problem.  I use Tiddlywiki on a desktop and a laptop using Windows 10.  I run the same Tiddlywiki files on both computers, which I share using dropbox.  I was able to enable saving on my desktop, but the enabling message, the image of the cat over the ball in the Firefox tool bar, does not appear on my laptop.  I have also checked the customization section in the upper left corner of the screen, and the cat and the ball is not there.  I have reviewed this entire thread, and followed all of the suggestions to the best of my ability, and the image still does not appear.  I have the most recent versions of Firefox and Tiddyfox.  What am I missing?

Merv

[Ed]

Hi Merv,

Same situation more or less here. At home still Windows 7. At work Windows 10.
No way I could get the stuff running. That was before Easter, so next week I can check
my computer at work again.

This afternoon, as work needs to be done. I switched to TiddlyDesktop. Maybe that is
an option for you too. There is saving and an automatic back-up made. So in fact it is
pretty good.  Releases for TiddlyDesktop here:
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop/releases

Wish you every bit of succes!
Tschüß, Ed
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Op zondag 16 april 2017 17:49:52 UTC+2 schreef mervin mecklenburg:

[Jeff Vance]

I haven't had any major problems with TiddlyFox, but just now I found what looks like a bug, but not a show stopper.  If you open a TW file and enable saving, then move the tab to a new window (either drag, or right-click "move to new window"), in the new window the TiddlyFox icon is no longer green (turns grey), and clicking the button opens an empty window.  However, TiddlyFox is clearly still working since my edits still get saved to the file.

Cheers,
JV

[tauta...@gmail.com]

Hi,
I have no idea whether or not this is useful information for diagnosing the problem, but I'll mention it just in case: I can see the icon to enable saving when using Firefox in its normal mode, but can't see it when I'm using privacy mode (which I sometimes try when bug-hunting due to it being more stripped-down in some respects). I don't know why it should be different between those modes, and I don't know whether or not the thing preventing it from displaying in privacy mode is the same thing preventing other people from seeing it at all, but maybe it's relevant somehow.

[Ed]

Hi TRR,

Thanks for trying to help out. With my FireFox at home and now at work
it doesn't make any difference whether i use a private FireFox or not.
No icon anywhere. (Putain!)
Salut! Edm.
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Op dinsdag 18 april 2017 07:59:30 UTC+2 schreef TRR:

[Mark S.]

As an associated issue, the url listed as the home page for tiddlyfox on the add-on page (https://five.tiddlywiki.com/tiddlyfox) doesn't seem to work. I've turned off auto-update after hearing of all these problems and might like to check up on the official status from time to time.

Thanks,
Mark

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks to everyone for your help.

It seems that the primary problem with 2.0.1 is that it is not configured for use during “Private Browsing” or when “Never Remember History” is enabled.

I’ve created a new 2.0.2-prerelease build that is configured for private browsing.

Please give it a try and report back before I submit it to Mozilla. Unfortunately, using unsigned extensions is difficult these days. The easiest way is to use the Developer edition of Firefox, which will accept unsigned extensions:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/developer/

The XPI is available here:

https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/raw/master/tiddlywiki.xpi

As usual, questions and feedback are welcome,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Hi Mark

As an associated issue, the url listed as the home page for tiddlyfox on the add-on page (https://five.tiddlywiki.com/tiddlyfox) doesn't seem to work. I've turned off auto-update after hearing of all these problems and might like to check up on the official status from time to time.

I can’t find the link; can you point me at the page in question?

Many thanks,

Jeremy

[Chris]

Exactly! That is the problem. Thank you Jeremy, TiddlyWiki works as before, the icon appears, everything ok for the moment!!

Tiddly Wiki is such a great piece of software, wow!!

Chris

[Ed]

Awesome!
Great!
Jeremy!

You must have used quite some time finding the solution as I saw that every day you updated the TiddlyFox.
You found it Olé! MulttiDoublePlusThanks. [Orwellian NewSpeak OK, here? 8-)) ]

I immediately reverted from “Never Remember History” to "Remember History" and there was the cat balancing
on the grey ball ( I have not loaded a TW5 yet) It was on my normal browser. I have not tried the developer one.
I'll wait for the good news from others more competant people then me.

Just loaded a fresh TW5 and the ball changed to blue after enabling it turned green. Joy!

Cheers!!! Ed.
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Op dinsdag 18 april 2017 21:38:11 UTC+2 schreef Jeremy Ruston:

[Mark S.]

When you go to your extensions, click on "More" under TiddlyFox, you get the extensions page including the URL I mentioned. Image attached.

Thanks,
Mark

[mervin mecklenburg]

Thanks for the suggestion.  Unfortunately, on the computer that is giving me problems, I also seem to have issues with Tiddydesktop.  However, I have Tiddlydesktop running on my other computer, which I use as a backup, and it is working fine there.  However, I found a work-around for my laptop.  I downloaded TiddlyChrome, which appears to run on my laptop and seems to be working.  Thanks for the suggestion.

[mervin mecklenburg]

This worked when I tried it on the computer that was having problems.  The ball appeared, and I believe that it is working; although I have yet to test it out.  I appreciate all of the time everyone spent solving this.

Merv

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

When you go to your extensions, click on "More" under TiddlyFox, you get the extensions page including the URL I mentioned. Image attached.

Ah, OK, thank you. I think that URL is actually baked into that old version of the extension; it isn’t metadata that I can change on addons.mozila.org. So I think the only way I could change it is to re-issue the old version of the extension; it’s not clear how I could do that without disturbing the current release.

Best wishes

Jeremy

Thanks,
Mark


On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 12:38:15 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

Hi Mark

As an associated issue, the url listed as the home page for tiddlyfox on the add-on page (https://five.tiddlywiki.com/tiddlyfox) doesn't seem to work. I've turned off auto-update after hearing of all these problems and might like to check up on the official status from time to time.

I can’t find the link; can you point me at the page in question?

Many thanks,

Jeremy

Thanks,
Mark

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[Mark S.]

Couldn't you just put a forwarding page at the old address?

Thanks,
Mark

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

Couldn't you just put a forwarding page at the old address?

Annoyingly, the erroneous address is https, which has never been implemented for tiddlywiki.com. I don’t have a certificate or appropriate hosting to set it up.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Mark S.]

You mean that that address has never worked?

Thanks,
Mark

[Jeremy Ruston]

You mean that that address has never worked?

That’s correct; the https typo survived from a very early version of TiddlyFox. You must be the first person to notice it :)

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Jeremy Ruston]

It would be useful to get some feedback on the new prerelease of TiddlyFox from anyone able to test it just to verify that it does indeed fix the issues with private browsing windows,

Many thanks,

Jeremy.

[Jeff Vance]

Hi Jeremy,

I just tested it out in the developer edition. I still see the "Move to new Window" problem I mentioned earlier (maybe it was missed).  I enable saving, then right-click the tab, select Move to new Window, and in the new window TiddlyFox button appears disabled (even though it actually is enabled).  And clicking it opens an empty window.

Jeff

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Using the Firefox developer edition v54.0 (18-4-2017) with Linux Mint, I can confirm it does work with private browsing and with history diasbled.

I like the new icons (no local TW, TiddlyFox disabled and Tiddlyfox enabled) better than the old ones.

Just for the record (guys who did not have seen the new ones), the new ones look like:



Cheers,

Ton

[@TiddlyTweeter]

is it a Firefox Developer issue or a Firefox issue?

all i can say is, from private discussions i had with an extension developer who works with Mozilla, the Firefox road to its future aim ... solo WebExtensions, Firefox 57 (predicted for November) ... is gonna be rocky. 

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Its perhaps worth noting I went BACK to Firefox 45 standard. I dumped the Developer version. I went with the ESR version. WHY? because I use a lot of add-ons and several of them are under strain. Using a previous version of FF saves me for a time having to deal with the nightmare that Firefox has become if you use extensions that need to save to disk.

[iain]

As a TW user I was hoping to get some clarification on this issue - as I understand it

The Tiddly Fox not saving issue is happening only on FF to both Classic TW and TW5

There is a new Tiddly Fox in beta form that will solve this issue but is being tested.

Meanwhile in the latest version of FF when you open a TW the Tiddly Fox icon appears and you click on it and it then with automatically save(until at least the next change).

Is this correct?? Do I need to roll back FF at all?

Cheers  - Iain

 

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao iain

You should NOT need to roll-back Firefox.

At the same time, if you are a Firefox user like me, managing extensions in general has become convoluted with add-on developers trying to keep up. The issues particularly afflict extensions that need file-saving, of which I use several.

I went back to the "ESR" version simply because I got fed up with Firefox itself increasingly being ahead of the add-on developers and their add-ons partly failing. 

The big test point will likely occur in November when Firefox 57 is supposed to be released, which is when FF standard is due to go WebExtensions only (FWIW, all the issues are coming because of the intent to take FF wholly that way).

Hopefully this will not stop TiddlyFox working since a lot of work has been done towards compliance.

On bog standard PC's running FF in Windows I haven't seen any issues with TiddlyFox. The new version is elegant, though, as you note, works slightly differently than the previous.

The Mozilla hosted version is now the LATEST version, BTW:   https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/tiddlyfox/?src=search

OLDER versions are available here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/tiddlyfox/versions/

Best wishes
Josiah

[Mark S.]

One of the arguments for the change in plugins is that webextensions will allow sharing of code between FF, IE, and Chrome.

So.....does that mean there will soon be an official TiddlyChrome and TiddlyExplorer ?

Personally, abandoning 1000s of much-loved plugins in order to make a browser THE SAME AS other browsers is a recipe for annihilation for FF.

Mark

[RichardWilliamSmith]

If anyone's interested in why Firefox is making this change, this comment on Hacker News is the best explanation I've come across.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13676488

Basically, they have to do it in order to stay competitive.

Regards,

Richard

[@TiddlyTweeter]

its highly debatable the change will keep them competitive.

what it is doing is making Firefox MORE LIKE most every other browser. So WHY bother with it?

FF is/was used because of the flexibility of its add-on architecture. It thrived on add-ons.

Its add-ons, month by month, become harder to run. Its losing users who ask themselves: Why bother?

IMO its shot itself in the foot and will continue to decline because it THREW OUT ITS BABY.

Best wishes
Josiah  

[Alfonso Arciniega]

For all the users having issues with extensions: I found a temporary solution that is working as a charm.

Instead of Firefox ESR, Firefox Developer, or any old Firefox version, I prefer to use Unbranded Firefox, a Nightly version of Firefox that allows unsigned extensions.

See my previous message about this:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/lDICVyMNAPY/Tlvl1tnRAQAJ

Then, in the FAQ section of the same page I referred to in the message indicated above, do as it says:

What are my options if I want to install unsigned extensions in Firefox?

• The Nightly versions of Firefox have a preference to disable signature enforcement. There are also be special unbranded versions of Release and Beta that have this preference, so that add-on developers can work on their add-ons without having to sign every build. To disable signature checks, you will need to set the xpinstall.signatures.required preference to "false".
  • type about:config into the URL bar in Firefox
  • in the Search box type xpinstall.signatures.required
  • double-click the preference, or right-click and selected "Toggle", to set it to false.

I also liked the Unbranded version because I was able to simply unzip it and use it without installation, it appears to be faster even if running it from an USB, and you can basically install any extension you want.

Hope this helps,

Alfonso Arciniega

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Unbranded Firefox is fine, for a time.

BUT it won't answer the BIG question of tomorrow.

All of us will eventually have to pop up out of our various worthy wormholes.

I think the central song is: will I be able to save in 2018?

Best wishes
Josiah

[PMario]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 8:51:07 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

I think the central song is: will I be able to save in 2018?

imo yes. but may be with a different browser.

-m

[Robert Edwards]

I lost a ton of work today as well. I didn't explicitly update tiddlyfox, and I didn't catch that I had to take an extra step to re-enable something that was previously working. Very frustrated right now!

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:59:40 PM UTC-4, webcorerad wrote:

Ohhh :( I’ve just lost a day of work because of this as well. It didn’t save anything, the computer freeze and I’ve had to restart it. When I opened TiddlyWiki again all work was gone. I didn’t have clicked on the TiddlyFox icon and the green button to enable the save again.

The icon change is so subtle I didn’t noted it…

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Apologies, I hadn’t appreciated the impact of the change; I have to rely on feedback from beta testers to smooth out the rough edges of things. (The new version of TiddlyFox has been available as a beta for about 3 months).

This happened to me as well and I don't see anyway for it to happen unless Firefox automatically updated the add-ins. I count automatic updates that change how the add-in works without notification as being a big mistake.

The automatic update was a surprise to me, too. I submitted the add-on for approval on 21st February and had almost given up hope that it would be approved before the release of a version of Firefox that broke TiddlyFox.

I seem to be constantly telling the thing that I want to enable saving for the wiki even though I haven't knowingly updated anything. Does clearing the cache, cookies, etc, also reset whether TiddlyFox has saving enabled? If so, is there some way to change that behaviour?

TiddlyFox settings are stored using the Firefox extension standard storage API for preference storage. I guess that it probably does get cleared if you nuke things sufficiently powerfully; hard to see a way to avoid that other than to store preferences somewhere non-standard, which seems like extra work, and makes the Mozilla review process more complex.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[Corey S]

Would it be possible to load a splash screen saying your tiddlyfox or firefox has been updated and remind users to re-enable saving, and check that icon? I don't edit my wikis that often anymore, mostly just add recipes, I only noticed mine wasn't saving a month later, by which time it was too late to back and re-enter any tiddlers that weren't saved. Several extensions that I use in Firefox do this, and while it is a bit annoying with those extensions, it would be invaluable in this case.

TWC 2.81 and Firefox 53 at last count.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jeremy

I tested 2.0.2 with no problem, either in normal or private mode. (FWIW, I'm not using a dev version of Firefox, but the normal one with a couple of modified settings on permissions).

LIKE the previous version when you Disable ...

 "[ ] Always enable saving for this file"

 
... it only registers in the icon when you restart the browser. No big deal.

In another thread I suggest that the previous "cat on world" icon could be replaced with the face of a cat that can better fill out the space available to an icon. Different states=different colors & facial expressions. Your current 2.0.2 icons are fine too but not thematic TW style icons.

Best wishes
Josiah

[Jeremy Ruston]

I’ve made an update to the 2.0.2 prerelease to add a banner prompt (see below). I’ve also reverted to the original icon, on the basis that the new icons were pretty unlikeable.

Please give it a try and report back before I submit it to Mozilla. Unfortunately, using unsigned extensions is difficult these days. The easiest way is to use the Developer edition of Firefox, which will accept unsigned extensions:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/developer/

The XPI is available here:

https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/raw/master/tiddlywiki.xpi

Any thoughts or comments on the wording are welcome. The documentation link goes to http://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving%20with%20TiddlyFox and the discussion forum link goes to http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

It works for me. I think the alert mechanism is the best one can do. Once seen, never forgotten. The icon was the least of it & its comforting to see a cat again :-).

I suggest two changes on wording (draft suggestions) ...

 -- First Line: This TiddlyWiki can be Saved

 -- Last Line: [CLICK TO CLOSE]

[Yakov]

вторник, 25 апреля 2017 г., 2:13:44 UTC+3 пользователь PMario написал:

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 8:51:07 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

I think the central song is: will I be able to save in 2018?

imo yes. but may be with a different browser.

Or with a different tool: https://github.com/Arlen22/tiddly-chrome-app (Addons will be substituted with Chrome extensions), that's their point on dropping Addons. Unfortunately, TiddlyChrome doesn't support TWc yet.

-m