Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

[Jeremy Ruston]

I’m tentatively reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts with a new weekly series of pre-recorded conversations with invited guests. The format is an extended screencast with talking heads in the corner, and the intention is to illuminate how people use and personalise TiddlyWiki.

Saq Imtiaz and I made the first recording this morning, which I’ll publish shortly in a separate thread. The purpose of this thread is to ask for nominations of guests you’d like to see featured. They don’t need to be a developer, just somebody who might have something interesting to show and talk about.

Feel free to nominate people here, or to drop me a personal email at jeremy (dot) ruston (at) gmail (got) com. Any other comments or suggestions to improve the hangouts are most welcome.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

[Mat]

That's great news!

I'd love to see

@Jeremys setup! This guy supposedly knows how to use TW so it'd be really interesting to know what he actually does with it :-)

@Jeds setup - Bob galore! Maybe he also integrates it with other stuff?

@Anne-Laure - TW compared to other tools she has/is using

@Springer - TW in a teaching context

<:-)

[Riz]

I ll start with the usual suspects

* Mohammad - because I think he has a lot of tricks he ain't telling us about

* BurningTreeC - if we need to hear about anybody's UI vision, it is him

* JD - bcoz JD deserves an episode all to himself

* If you could catch Mat and Jed together in an episode - give them a chance to explain their Federated wiki - it is about time.

* Sylvain - He manages the French Community almost alone. It would be nice to know their perspective.

* Finally bring Tobias Beer back! I don't know about you guys, but I miss the quality of content he churns out

[Mat]

Add:

@Danielo and NoteSelf, assuming he still is active with it

<:-)

P.S There's gang of other wonderful people here but I imagine the above mentioned have "special use cases" and it is of course these use cases that I'm curious about.

[Saq Imtiaz]

Yes, time to hear about more interesting workflows than my own! Also I think today, even though I tried not to, it became a bit too much telling and not enough showing things on the screen.

Nominations:

Dave Gifford: It seems like there is a lot of interest around TiddlyBlink / Stroll / similar adaptations. While I have been helping Dave Gifford with the two story support, I still don't really have a clear vision of how this would be used in a real world context and where the true value lies. Would love to see Dave talking us through his workflow with it.

Seconding the nominations of Anne-Laure and Elise Springer as well. Would love to see and hear more about how they are using TiddlyWiki and why.

Regards,

Saq

[Mohammad]

Hi Jeremy

  Great idea! if the hangouts recorded every week then I would absolutely invite most influencers!

  

  By the way one of the challenge of Tiddlywiki is saving mechanism and its future.

  So, Rizwan Ibnishak is one of the candidate I like to invite and discuss not only the current situation by also the outlook of next 5 years!

 -- Mohammad

[Julio Peña]

Hello Jeremy and all,

I always did enjoy laying back and watching attentively the 

Hangouts...very informal yet very instructional.

Glad to see them back even if tentatively.

Many blessings,

Julio

[Birthe C]

This is very good news.

Interesting guests has been proposed and I agree.

Please may I ask: Try not to speak too fast. I had the subtitles on and that did help some but not quite enough.

Birthe

[Peter Buyze]

I second Tobias Beer.

Also: Eric Shulman.

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4 May 2020, 20:58 by madapeed...@gmail.com:

I ll start with the usual suspects

* Mohammad - because I think he has a lot of tricks he ain't telling us about

* BurningTreeC - if we need to hear about anybody's UI vision, it is him

* JD - bcoz JD deserves an episode all to himself

* If you could catch Mat and Jed together in an episode - give them a chance to explain their Federated wiki - it is about time.

* Also Anne - Being the newest member who is helping popularising TW5, she deserves a chance to explain the view point of a newly interested user.

* Finally bring Tobias Beer back! I don't know about you guys, but I miss the quality of content he churns out

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[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Birthe

On 5 May 2020, at 02:46, Birthe C <strikke...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please may I ask: Try not to speak too fast. I had the subtitles on and that did help some but not quite enough

Very good point, I’m keen to make the videos accessible to as wide an audience as possible. YouTube generates subtitles automatically but they are not super-accurate.  As an experiment, I’ve turned on an option labelled “community subtitles” for the latest hangout, I believe it enables contributions to the subtitles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvnqgfvohfM

Best wishes

Jeremy

[Birthe C]

I actually found the subtitles rather good. Just not for Tiddlywiki 5 (Ricky lie] or tiddlers (Hitlers] were only some of the suggestions.

I just found that we are able to set the playing speed.

Birthe

[Saq Imtiaz]

Good point and apologies Birthe. I was too much in "hangout" mode in my mind and not enough in "presentation" mode. I'm more used to doing presentations on my feet in front of people!

Regards,
Saq

[Birthe C]

Hi Saq,

It was highly interesting. I love your two story and have in fact been using it since you shared the one with the drag and drop zone some time ago.

I would also like to see Dave Gifford telling us about Stroll.

Birthe

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thank you for all the nominations. Everyone mentioned would make a fantastic guest, and I hope they’ll agree to take part — and I’m sure there are many others too.

I’m sure you will all be pleased to learn Anne-Laure has kindly agreed to be our guest on hangout #106 next week. I’ll send invitations to the other nominees shortly and try to figure out a timetable for the next few weeks.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

[Saq Imtiaz]

Excellent! Happy to hear it Jeremy.

Even if this ends up being roughly bi-weekly rather than weekly, I think it will be fantastic.

[Dragon Cotterill]

I know that I'm late to the nomination party, but I'd really like to hear the point of views of people who remain "faithful" to TWC. My nomination would have to be Yakov and his continuing superb work in that area.

[PMario]

+1

-m

[Anne-Laure Le Cunff]

I was going to suggest David Gifford but he's the next guest — very excited about this one! Mohammad would be great too, he always is so helpful and has lots of interesting hacks.

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks Dragon, Mario, I’ve dropped Yakov a line,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Jeremy Ruston]

We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks:

• Dave Gifford for the week of 18th May
• Jed Carty for the week of 25th May
• Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June
• Rizwan Ishak for the week of 8th June
• Elise Springer for the week of 16th June

I should be able to confirm the following two or three Hangouts soon. Do please keep nominations coming.

Feedback and questions are welcome — I’m learning as I go here, and keen to make these shows as useful as possible for everybody.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Saq Imtiaz]

Great schedule lined up! Thanks for putting in the time and effort on this Jeremy.

[Saq Imtiaz]

Nominations:

- Jeremy Ruston: for a chat about the path from TWC to TW5, current state of affairs as he sees it, and what might be in store next. Would be happy to facilitate this.

- Siniy Kit: TiddlyWiki for e-commerce sites and static exports.

[Julio Peña]

Hello,

Oooo, nice lineup indeed!

Will be on the look out.

I'd nominate Mohammad and 

Mario after the lineup mentioned.

Best wishes all,

Julio

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks:

• Dave Gifford for the week of 18th May
• Jed Carty for the week of 25th May
• Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June
• Rizwan Ishak for the week of 8th June
• Elise Springer for the week of 16th June

I should be able to confirm the following two or three Hangouts soon. Do please keep nominations coming.

Feedback and questions are welcome — I’m learning as I go here, and keen to make these shows as useful as possible for everybody.

Best wishes

Jeremy

On 12 May 2020, at 16:20, Anne-Laure Le Cunff <alec...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was going to suggest David Gifford but he's the next guest — very excited about this one! Mohammad would be great too, he always is so helpful and has lots of interesting hacks.

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 3:41:58 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:

+1

-m

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 2:52:56 PM UTC+2, Dragon Cotterill wrote:

I know that I'm late to the nomination party, but I'd really like to hear the point of views of people who remain "faithful" to TWC. My nomination would have to be Yakov and his continuing superb work in that area.

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[Sylvain Naudin]

Le mardi 12 mai 2020 17:57:57 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :

We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks:

• Dave Gifford for the week of 18th May
• Jed Carty for the week of 25th May
• Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June
• Rizwan Ishak for the week of 8th June
• Elise Springer for the week of 16th June

I should be able to confirm the following two or three Hangouts soon. Do please keep nominations coming.

Feedback and questions are welcome — I’m learning as I go here, and keen to make these shows as useful as possible for everybody.

Best wishes

Jeremy

Absolutely, this is an agenda that makes you feel enthusiastic ! Thanks a lot.

I nominate Xavier Cazin for his experience as a contributor to translation and especially your latest work with immateriel.fr.

[Anne-Laure Le Cunff]

Wonderful line up! Excited to learn how everyone uses TW.

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 4:57:57 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks:

• Dave Gifford for the week of 18th May
• Jed Carty for the week of 25th May
• Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June
• Rizwan Ishak for the week of 8th June
• Elise Springer for the week of 16th June

I should be able to confirm the following two or three Hangouts soon. Do please keep nominations coming.

Feedback and questions are welcome — I’m learning as I go here, and keen to make these shows as useful as possible for everybody.

Best wishes

Jeremy

On 12 May 2020, at 16:20, Anne-Laure Le Cunff <alec...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was going to suggest David Gifford but he's the next guest — very excited about this one! Mohammad would be great too, he always is so helpful and has lots of interesting hacks.

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 3:41:58 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:

+1

-m

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 2:52:56 PM UTC+2, Dragon Cotterill wrote:

I know that I'm late to the nomination party, but I'd really like to hear the point of views of people who remain "faithful" to TWC. My nomination would have to be Yakov and his continuing superb work in that area.

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[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks to Saq, Julio and Sylvain for the nominations,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[PMario]

On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 5:57:57 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks:

• Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June

Have you been able to contact Tobias?

-m

[Jeremy Ruston]

We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks:

• Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June

Have you been able to contact Tobias?

Yes, he's confirmed!

Best wishes

Jeremy

-m

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[TiddlyTweeter]

Dragon

I agree. 

I think TWC  needs decent attention. We talk about the longevity of TiddlyWiki but to do so its essential that TWC is central to that.

And, yes, Yakov is central.

TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

Jeremy Ruston wrote ...

Feel free to nominate people here

Of real activists I'd love to see the face of Mark S. He has been the single most, generous, helpful person for me here.

His understanding of TW is very deep.

Best wishes

TT

[Mat]

TiddlyTweeter wrote:

Of real activists I'd love to see the face of Mark S. He has been the single most, generous, helpful person for me here.

His understanding of TW is very deep.

Hear, hear! Truly one of the super stars on the board!

<:-)

[Peter Buyze]

The model T still is a beautiful car, but the world has moved on from there: it has become a collector's item and is ripe for the museum.

Similarly, TWC is old hat. There is nothing stopping those who want to use it to do so, but to enforce it on the rest of the community is a bit …… well, not right.

So, I agree with Mat's comment.

16 May 2020, 12:11 by matia...@gmail.com:

Regarding TWC

I don't get why NEW attention should be brought to TWC which is, after all, a system we've advanced from. Sure, it works and it's great, but there has been no development for it in almost a decade. It seems mostly that people who use it do so because they didn't muster up the effort to make the transition. Yes, I know this is not 100% the case because TWC is more performant in some aspects but the same can probably be said of Windows 95 or whatever. We've moved on, for good reasons, and we should not "trick" people into spending time on that old technology. There is recurring confusion for newcomers where they found some plugin or information that strangely "doesn't work".

Let TWC fade out to be a nostalgic memory that is still beautiful but that we shouldn't dwell on.

<:-)

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[TiddlyTweeter]

Mat

Could you please take this OUT of this Hangout thread so I can lambast your ass appropriately.

TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

Peter

This is a thread for Hangout nominations.

I'm happy to show you are errant on TWC in a new thread. But not here.

TT

On Saturday, 16 May 2020 11:35:56 UTC+2, Peter Buyze wrote:

The model T still is a beautiful car, but the world has moved on from there: it has become a collector's item and is ripe for the museum.

Similarly, TWC is old hat. There is nothing stopping those who want to use it to do so, but to enforce it on the rest of the community is a bit …… well, not right.

So, I agree with Mat's comment.

16 May 2020, 12:11 by matia...@gmail.com:

Regarding TWC

I don't get why NEW attention should be brought to TWC which is, after all, a system we've advanced from. Sure, it works and it's great, but there has been no development for it in almost a decade. It seems mostly that people who use it do so because they didn't muster up the effort to make the transition. Yes, I know this is not 100% the case because TWC is more performant in some aspects but the same can probably be said of Windows 95 or whatever. We've moved on, for good reasons, and we should not "trick" people into spending time on that old technology. There is recurring confusion for newcomers where they found some plugin or information that strangely "doesn't work".

Let TWC fade out to be a nostalgic memory that is still beautiful but that we shouldn't dwell on.

<:-)

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[Peter Buyze]

Ciao TT,

You are right, it should have been in the thread with the word "MESS" in the title. I apologise, I got carried away when I saw Mat's comment and strongly agreed with him. Sometimes it is hard being human instead of a robot ;-)

I cannot delete my comment since I add by means of email; if you can delete it, by all means do so. And, BTW, thanks for not lambasting my ass.

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[Mat]

TiddlyTweeter wrote:

Mat

Could you please take this OUT of this Hangout thread so I can lambast your ass appropriately.

Take off your monocle and hat and I'll meet you outside, pronto!

<:-)

[David Gifford]

Jeremy is going to have a beer!

On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 7:32:59 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

We’ve now got a great schedule for the next few weeks:

• Tobias Beer for the week of 1st June

Have you been able to contact Tobias?

Yes, he's confirmed!

Best wishes

Jeremy

-m

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[David Gifford]

Yes, Mark S has been extremely helpful time and time again for me too!