Calling all TiddlyWiki users

[Arlen Beiler]

Dear TiddlyWikians,

As has been discussed, we would like to create a new Q&A website for anyone who uses TiddlyWiki, and anyone who develops for TiddlyWiki.

This could include both classic and five.

It's built on the same software as stackoverflow.com, a hugely popular site where over seven million programmers help each other with difficult programming problems. On Stack Overflow the audience votes for the best answer, so the answer you want is usually right at the top, not on page five.

I'm hoping that a site for anyone who uses TiddlyWiki, and anyone who develops for TiddlyWiki would have the same kind of network effect and turn into an amazing resource.

The proposal process is going on here:

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2

If you're interested in participating, go to that URL and click on the orange "Follow It!" button.

We need at least 60 people to follow the proposal, and 40 questions that have 10 votes, to determine the scope of the site. We want to cover everything we reasonably can, but we can always refine it later. 

Once you follow, you can vote good example questions up. You have 5 upvotes. You can also give 5 examples of a good question (basically a descriptive title).

Think there should be a few classic questions? Feel free to add them, and mark them as TWC.

[jwd]

Plus, by revisiting, commenting on, and editing content to improve it you earn 'badges' that contribute to your stackexchange community abilities. Those can, if you are motivated enough, lead to additional 'reputation' and responsibility. This is one of the aspects of StackExchange that makes some of its communities successful.

[Arlen Beiler]

Hello All,

I thought I would post this again to bring it to everyone's attention. 

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2

If you're interested in participating, go to that URL and click on the orange "Follow It!" button. 

If you like the format of Stack Overflow, this is for you.

On Dec 28, 2016 15:59, "jwd" <jwd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Plus, by revisiting, commenting on, and editing content to improve it you earn 'badges' that contribute to your stackexchange community abilities. Those can, if you are motivated enough, lead to additional 'reputation' and responsibility. This is one of the aspects of StackExchange that makes some of its communities successful.

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[Dmitry Sokolov]

Thank you Arlen,

added to the list of TW Forums:
http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/113792623/TiddlyWiki%20Forums

Cheers,
Dmitry

On Monday, 2 January 2017 13:36:41 UTC+13, Arlen Beiler wrote:

Hello All,

I thought I would post this again to bring it to everyone's attention. 

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2

If you're interested in participating, go to that URL and click on the orange "Follow It!" button. 

If you like the format of Stack Overflow, this is for you.

On Dec 28, 2016 15:59, "jwd" <jwd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Plus, by revisiting, commenting on, and editing content to improve it you earn 'badges' that contribute to your stackexchange community abilities. Those can, if you are motivated enough, lead to additional 'reputation' and responsibility. This is one of the aspects of StackExchange that makes some of its communities successful.

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[Arlen Beiler]

Thank you everyone for your participation so far. We have 48 proposed questions so far.

We have 48/60 followers needed so far, so let people know about. If you like, you could post a link on whatever plugin sites you have. When it enters the commitment phase, the same like should still work.

We have 8 questions with 10 votes, and we need 40. So if you have not done so yet, find 5 questions with less than. 10 votes that you think should be on the site, and click the little up arrow on the left side. 

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2

I'm looking forward to see how things go. After seeing a few other betas I think we might have the mass it takes to get this site off the ground.

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[Josiah]

Ciao Arlen

To help advance it it might be helpful to say a bit more about moderation and who is in control of it.

The sign-up hurdles to getting to a working situation seem pretty extreme.

The Stack Overflow/Exchange route is, IMO, a potentially really good one. But explicitness about both the process and the outcome seems important.

Part of the problem you are likely encountering is the need to sign up in order to express anything or see anything much.

Best wishes
Josiah

[Arlen Beiler]

Hello Josiah and all,

Yes, the process is quite lengthy. But given the amount of exposure that StackExchange sites usually get, I would say it is actually surprisingly easy. There is no minimum time period for a proposal, only numerical requirements, so given enough users, a site can actually get going fairly quickly.

I believe during beta the moderators will be StackExchange employees. But that only really makes a difference until there are users with 10k+ rep on the site. Anyone with 10k+ rep has most of the permissions of an elected moderator. 

But most of the "moderating" can be done by anyone. It takes 5 close votes to close a question, 5 to reopen, and for more edge cases, you can always flag a post and leave a message for a moderator. 

Once you have 2000 rep (I believe), you can approve edits to posts. And, of course, upvotes generally gives an answer more visibility, so upvoting great answers will make them more visible. The accepted answer is always at the top.

I don't know the exact process to create a user account, but it should be straight forward. And once you verify your email address, you're good to go.

The way voting works is we need 40 questions that each have 10 votes. So if you have a certain question you want to be able to ask, post it, or find one along that line and vote for it. Once a question has 10 votes, it's good.

Everyone has 5 votes they can give, so that equates to 80 followers. We're getting quite close to that number now, but we'll keep working until we get the votes in.

I am expecting that once we get going, if all the questions on here get taken over there, there will probably be a good amount of activity.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask them on here or on the proposal there.

With Jesus' peace,

-Arlen

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[jwd]

Mind if I chime in?

I've had a StackOverflow account for five years. Finding answers to questions on StackExchange sites has become so second nature to me that I was surprised by Josiah's questions and comments and the little follow-on discussion this proposal has had. Maybe I've forgotten how StackExchange seemed in the beginning. If you are not familiar with the many communities  I suggest you take the tour which may help explain the concept in general.

I find the various StackExchange communities that I participate in akin to the TiddlyWiki community here - generally people seem to eager to help and are forthcoming with useful suggestions. One difference, I think, is that the good answers to questions tend to get voted up to the top. People who ask a question that already has a good (set of) answers will get pointed to that. Rather than the many problems with the Google Group that Josiah has eloquently identified.

When I use StackExchange sites I also get a lot of useful information from the comments that the community makes about questions and answers over time. So answers that used to be good but have been superseded over time will frequently get a comment highlighting a better answer.

The whole reputation thing can be, I imagine, a little off-putting. Don't let it throw you. You gain some reputation just by participating - I earned some by simply editing one of my proposed questions to improve the wording. On StackOverflow proper I have earned most of my reputation points from one (1) good answer that a lot of people have come across and it solved their problem. To learn more about reputation see http://stackoverflow.com/help/whats-reputation

But StackExchange reputation is *not* why I participate in those communities. I participate and use the privileges I've earned (I'm up to editor) because the StackExchange communities have improved my life, making it easier to find answers that are curated by the people who really know something about the technology, whatever that is. By participating I feel like I'm giving a little of that back. So when a Google search leads me to a StackExchange community vetted answer I'll up vote that question and that answer; and maybe spend a few extra minutes doing some of my editor review duties.

So I urge participants in this Google Group to join the proposed TiddlyWiki  Q&A group.  As the proposed group tag line says at this phase of its development "We want to find the best example questions." I don't think the proposed StackExchange TiddlyWiki Q&A site would replace this Google Group; but one could go a long way toward answering well the questions that seem to come up here frequently in a way that can evolve as TiddlyWiki does.

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[Danielo Rodríguez]

I subscribe everything that Jonathan said.
Stack overflow for example, has improved my life too.
I have already spent all my votes, so I kindly ask all those users that are grateful to tiddlywiky to go and participate.

Regards

[Tobias Beer]

Hi jwd,

 

Mind if I chime in?

Great write-up.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

[jwd]

Thanks for the kind words.

I see the proposed group has achieved its first goal of having 50 followers. Now it just needs 25 more questions that 10 or more followers think are great examples of the kinds of things Tiddliwikians want to know to move on to the next phase.

[Arlen Beiler]

We still want as many people to follow as possible, because 80 people need to use 5 upvotes to get us 40 definition questions. 

We should have some third party plugin questions if there are not yet.

On Jan 14, 2017 17:56, "jwd" <jwd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the kind words.

I see the proposed group has achieved its first goal of having 50 followers. Now it just needs 25 more questions that 10 or more followers think are great examples of the kinds of things Tiddliwikians want to know to move on to the next phase.

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[Danielo Rodríguez]

I really think that TiddlyMap community could give a boost to this. Could anyone contact Felix to see if he can help us?