Please note that you need to explicitly enable TiddlyFox 2.x for each TiddlyWiki file that you want to use with it.When you first load a TiddlyWiki file from a file:// URI the TiddlyFox toolbar icon will show a blue ball.
3 - Your batch system for saving I read about before. It sounds interesting but I'm still unclear how it works.
One of my projects is to allow the generation of batch files from tiddlers. This could ultimately allow the generation of the batch file with ease.
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Tony
param([string]$stem="foo", [string]$dir="")
$copyme = ls $stem*.html | sort LastWriteTime | select -last 1
$copyme = $copyme.FullName
Copy-Item $copyme -Destination $dir\$stem.html
Invoke-Item $dir\$stem.html
powershell -executionpolicy bypass -File .\launch_tw.ps1 -stem "bible" -dir d:\data\apps\TW_Ant
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Here's all that's needed to launch TW as an app.
Put this script as a text file in your default download directory and name as "launch_tw.ps1"
param([string]$stem="foo", [string]$dir="")
$copyme = ls $stem*.html | sort LastWriteTime | select -last 1
$copyme = $copyme.FullName
Copy-Item $copyme -Destination $dir\$stem.html
Invoke-Item $dir\$stem.html
For each TW you want to run, create a single line script. Here's an example named tw_bible.bat:
powershell -executionpolicy bypass -File .\launch_tw.ps1 -stem "bible" -dir d:\data\apps\TW_Ant
The "stem" name is the unique first part of the name (e.g. "bible" if your tw is bible.html). The dir is the path to the directory where you want to launch your TW from. If this is the first time using this system, copy your most recent TW file to the download directory.
Do a right click on the bat file and create a shortcut. Drag the shortcut to your desktop.
Now, whenever you want to launch your TW, just double-click on the shortcut. Your default browser will come up with the TW in a tab.
That's all there's to it. You launch your TW like you would any other desktop app. Once it's loaded in your default browser, you can save with the default mechanism, knowing the next time you want to run the tw you can just click on the start-up icon.
None of this is harder to do than installing an executable and configuring a server. The scripts are simple enough that they could be typed out by hand if you were on a system cut off from the net.
1. Consider packing it to deb/exe/whatever-mac-uses formats. The installer should ideally place necessary shortcuts and menu entries in the corresponding folder to each OS.
2. The opening HTML is replaced by a TW itself. It should show links to the various TW as it does now. In addition, that tiddlywiki should also have a control panel, which would allow the user to new TW paths, and modify settings. It won't be hard to cook up a button that will export these settings to json format.
On the other end of debate is people who do not have the necessary admin privileges to install node js on their system. -- Riz
As for how one actually does 'run a node server', I worry that we have over-dramatised it in previous discussions. It isn't difficult and doesn't require any special knowledge. You install Node like any other piece of software (https://nodejs.org) and you need to run half a dozen commands from the command line (they're given briefly at the start of my static sites tutorial here: https://www.didaxy.com/exporting-static-sites-from-tiddlywiki-part-1). I suppose if you haven't used the command line at all, it's a bit of a pain, but learning is good for you :-) -- Richard
This is OPINION. Its obvious we have MANY methods to save TW. Perhaps the single biggest issue is lack of a RESOURCE POINT that DOCUMENTS in detail how to set them up. -- Josiah
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...imagine telling someone "oh, right, you've accidentally nested a list of all your notes inside a list of all your notes, so your 'wordprocessor' crashed. Just restart it and figure out a way to delete that note without opening it...
2. The opening HTML is replaced by a TW itself. It should show links to the various TW as it does now. In addition, that tiddlywiki should also have a control panel, which would allow the user to new TW paths, and modify settings. It won't be hard to cook up a button that will export these settings to json format.Terrible idea (no offence) - the current interface is nice and simple and wouldn't gain anything from being a Tiddlywiki itself. Controls for adding new paths and creating new tiddlywiki folders and single-file editions is a great idea though and I think Arlen already mentioned the possibility.
Tiddlywiki is really mostly for 'geeks' at the end of the day :-).
5) TiddlyDesktop is my one and only savior - it is the ONLY way I currently know how to reliably update a tiddler, save to Dropbox, and find it later.
The main problem you will get over time with TiddlyDesktop is that the "rendering engine" is out of date so more modern designed pages that use the later CSS will begin to break down in TiddlyDesktop as the underlying system has no idea what to do with them.
Yes, I encountered such problems as well. However, since TiddlyDesktop is based on NW.js, I wondered whether building a new TiddlyDesktop version with most recent NW.js might fix this issue (but maybe it's not worth doing, anyway).
To the best of my knowledge, there is no planned replacement for TiddlyFox (Jeremy, please correct me if I'm wrong). The extension mechanism that TiddlyFox relies on will be removed from Firefox when version 57 gets here. The mechanism that replaces it will not support the functionality needed to write a replacement add-on (also, correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not an extension developer).There are a number of alternatives. Some exist today, some are still in discussion. None are exactly like TiddlyFox. Some of them include:Running TiddlyWiki on Node.js (http://tiddlywiki.com/static/TiddlyWiki%2520on%2520Node.js.html)Running TiddlyServer on your computer (https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer)Running Noteself instead (https://noteself.github.io/)Running IIS or Apache locally configured to support WebDAV (various discussions on this forum)Each of those options has benefits and disadvantages. All of them (except using Noteself) require you to install software on your computer (this might not be an option in some situations).Noteself with a properly configured CouchDB server somewhere on the Internet (or on your local computer) is a pretty interesting solution but some people are having challenges getting set-up the way they want. Without a CouchDB server you could easily lose everything (clearing all local data would delete all your saved content if you don't have CouchDB).
Mark S: ... TiddlyWiki.com. It has instructions for saving that work fine.
Ciao Mark S.Mark S: ... TiddlyWiki.com. It has instructions for saving that work fine.
NO it doesn't for what is beginning to happen now.
Tiddlywiki is really mostly for 'geeks' at the end of the day :-).Well, I disagree, but as it won't add anything to the main point of discussion, I am not elaborating on that.
Just use TiddlyServer.
Why get into combobulations you don't need when Arlen made a replacement already?
ste...@gmail.com wrote: With TiddlyDesktop, you download and install one set of binary files and you're done.
Mark S. Beginning to happen? Where?
Arlen Yes, I will continue to support TiddlyServer in my spare time. I actually took off work at times to work on it, but now it is going to have to be a spare time project unless maybe if people support it via PayPal.
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I for one was were happy to read that you considered a solution that was easy enough for an old lady like myself to use.
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As a more practical matter, do you think it will be possible to update the main site before Firefox 57? I think it would be best for us (you) to have a clear message on the front page about the change to previous behaviour.
I converted over to Node.js but I guess now I've lost the ability to encrypt all my tiddlers? There's a plugin to manually encrypt tiddlers but it looks abandoned without the important feature of confirming the password (I want to avoid ruining a tiddler with one typo).
Thanks for the interesting discussion. I’d just like to throw in that Beaker Browser actually makes a pretty good substitute for Firefox+TiddlyFox: https://beakerbrowser.com
The confusing thing is that Beaker’s raison d’être that you’ll read about on their site is all about sharing data between users via a peer-to-peer protocol akin to BitTorrent. However, one doesn’t need to use any of those features in order to use Beaker for working with entirely private TiddlyWiki’s.
Suppose I decide to retain an old Firefox, just to run Tiddlyfox. Tiddlywiki has code to save data to the local HTML file via Tiddlyfox. Is the plan for TW5 to retain that code for a long time, or is the plan to retire that code shortly after Firefox makes TiddlyFox obsolete?
i.e. If I continue to use TW5 with my obsolete Firefox, will I have to be careful not to update core TW5 to a version which breaks local auto-save?
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Suppose I decide to retain an old Firefox, just to run Tiddlyfox. Tiddlywiki has code to save data to the local HTML file via Tiddlyfox. Is the plan for TW5 to retain that code for a long time, or is the plan to retire that code shortly after Firefox makes TiddlyFox obsolete?
i.e. If I continue to use TW5 with my obsolete Firefox, will I have to be careful not to update core TW5 to a version which breaks local auto-save?