Opinion: The TIDDLYFOX problem is only part of it ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Tutti

I followed the discussions about the RETIREMENT of DIRECT SAVING in FF 57...

Whilst we are focused here mainly on TiddlyWiki, actual usage of FF beyond TiddlyWiki comes into the issue strongly too for some users (maybe a lot????). And that IS a factor in all this. Let me give my USECASE  which may make it clearer ...

1 - Having used FF forever I am faced with MULTIPLE FAILURES of Extensions. As of yesterday my Firefox is starting to alert me about extensions that will fail at 57 & offer alternatives that are WebExtension compliant.

2 - The problem is--after trying them--is they are largely crap. They lost the flexibility that previously they had.

3 - For example: TileTabs, PrintEdit, ClassicThemeRestorer, TabMixPlus ... all good basic tools that are struggling to survive FF 57, and not doing so well with the WebExtensions API.

4 - For brilliant tools like Scrapbook there is no alternative as yet even muted. I have 5 years of web-clips in that that will become inaccessible.

I seriously believe that the decline of direct file-saving in FF, for quite a many adept user, is a more complex issue than just TiddlyWiki.

No person uses a browser for just one thing unless they are in a corner. This is partly why there is much concern about how to SAVE here now--but, behind the scenes, I don't think the user concern is JUST about TiddlyWiki, I think it often implicitly reflects concern about what is happening in general.

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The FF PALEMOON solution route suggested in another thread looks interesting. But, when I tried it before, I got problems & periodic RSDs.

I still think the Best Bet right now is to use Firefox ESR that will continue to run till at least March next year.

This gives some breathing space to carry-on as before for some months. During those months I hope some solutions to the FF problem (NOT the TW problem--which is practically solved in several ways already) may emerge--or FF will likely become a very Minority Report.

In brief: FF is used for TW & Other Things. And part of the (??our??) user grief around it is about the Other Things too.

Best wishes
Josiah
 

[Stan001]

Agree, FF will finish itself. i.e becoming marginal by removing the easiness of customizability (btw one of its main advantages). - Well, I'm not the youngest and I've seen it soooo many times in technology.

May you rest in peace as memories of you FF will live on ;-) 

[Lost Admin]

But then what am I supposed to use as a web browser? MSIE/Edge is full of security holes and Chrome is as much spyware as it is a web browser. I suppose I could switch over entirely to Apple products and run Safari but I don't like the lack of upgradability.

[Arlen Beiler]

For Chrome there is Iron (specifically to address the spyware). What about the TOR browser? How about Beaker Browser? Until just last month, a company that I work for refused to allow any browser except Internet Explorer. I could use a portable version, though. That was funny. I think it had something to do with group policy. I would not say that Edge is full of holes. And IE has gotten better I think, but I would have to study up on it. 

• https://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
  
• https://github.com/beakerbrowser/beaker
  
• https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
  
• https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+browsers - LOL
  
• https://www.chromium.org/Home

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