HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Mat]

Hi, and warmly welcome, my new friend. Yes, I know my headline is YELLING. It's for your sake.

I just want to make sure you know "The First Rule of Using TiddlyWiki".

It is really worth knowing. And doing. It is a protection against pain and tears.

But I'm not going to tell you what it is. You'll have to find it yourself on tiddlywiki.com

Happy tiddlyfiddling.

<:-)

[Peter Buyze]

1st, 2nd and 3rd rule: back up, back up, back up

16 Apr 2020, 19:11 by matia...@gmail.com:

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[Birthe C]

Mat,

But how do you keep track of all your wikies and backups after many years of use and constant starting a new TW?

I've been hunting my own wikies for 2 days now! Constantly finding new and meaningful names for your wikies, names that are just as good when searching your archives a couple of years later.

Birthe

[Mat]

Birthe C wrote:

But how do you keep track of all your wikies and backups after many years of use and constant starting a new TW?

I agree this is a problem. Theoretically I guess a fixed number of "revolving" saves would suffice. I believe many of the available TW savers do this. Personally the absolute majority of my wikis are on tiddlyspot so that system stores backsups. Of course, if the system itself went down it would be no fun. (But I did make some backups from there.)

<:-)

[Birthe C]

Tiddlyspot disappearing would be a disaster.

I do have a TW listing my Wikies on tiddlyspot and elsewhere - and only lost that one partially a couple of times.

As you wrote backup on tiddlyspot is working well and easy, Also I save a local copy each time I upgrade.

It is far too easy to get carried away starting out with no local copy due to http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com (would you consider upgrading it?).

@Noobies,

http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com is to be recommended, when asking more complicated questions. Easier for people wanting to help to try out possible solutions.

Birthe

[Mat]

http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com (would you consider upgrading it?). 

Done! 

@Noobies,

http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com is to be recommended, when asking more complicated questions. Easier for people wanting to help to try out possible solutions.

I agree. Many newbie questions are really based on simple misunderstandings or misuse of something, so they ask about something other than what the real problem is. This is rather annoying because instead of answering "how to" it becomes a Q&A detective work to figure out what they are actually doing. If they instead create a dummy wiki on tiddlyspot and just post a link - perhaps even with a disclosed password! (e.g "password") - it will be much faster to help out.

<:-)

[Jed Carty]

The new version of bob lets you enable automatic backups. I am going to work on making handling single file wikis with in more seemless so it can work as an index of them as well as the node wikis.

[Peter Buyze]

That'll be good because I have not been able to get BOB to work on my single file.

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16 Apr 2020, 23:27 by inmy...@gmail.com:

The new version of bob lets you enable automatic backups. I am going to work on making handling single file wikis with in more seemless so it can work as an index of them as well as the node wikis.

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Birthe

Where do you keep them?

Online or locally?

Under one directory? Or scattered?

TT, x

[Jed Carty]

Bob only works with node, installing bob in a single fire wiki can not work.

[Birthe C]

TT,

I have my wikies sortet and listed in a daily wiki. I can find them, but it is getting more and more difficult to come up with a name - and years later remember what is in that wiki.l

Birthe

[TonyM]

Birthe,

Have you seen Mohamad's Search Wikis Plugin? See

• I plan to use a Wiki Under bob "directory" and make it a rule to generate these indexes for every relevant wiki.
• With a list of wiki titles and links to them in this "directory" wiki, I also want to register wikis and give them a unique Identifier.
• A smart use of iframes would allow you to open any wiki and generate an updated index from within the Directory wiki, and drag and drop it on the Directory Wiki.
• Perhaps one day a way to drop indexes in a folder where Bob automatically imports them is feasible.

Also I have taken to adding a Wiki Description in every new wiki and in some cases a scope, though sometime the scope is evident by the folder they are in such as sandbox folder.

Regards

Tony

[Birthe C]

Thank you Tony,

I had missed out the Search Wikis plugin.

Good advice Tony, but I must admit that I have had problems with the last couple of Bob updates. I have used very much time to try figure it out but think I will have to wait for now.

I have only been able to create from empty edition - and still having to rename from newwiki each time. Trying to open an existing wiki - it seems to to so but really nothing happens.

I think I am frankly too stupid for Bob.

Birthe

[Mark S.]

Did you remove the single-file save feature?

[Jed Carty]

Bob is in pretty desperate need of an update to the interface and documentation, but I have had very little actionable feedback about it so updates tend to be limited to whatever pops into my head at the moment.

The pieces all work but I am very aware that 'easy for me to use' and 'easy to use' are very different things so I don't have a good perspective when it comes to making things for other people.

Mark,

Yes, the single file saver and exporting and importing are all still there, but you can't install Bob on a single file wiki and have it do anything useful. You need to either have node running or run BobEXE. I have been working on some improvements to the BobSaver and the experience with single file wikis and Bob, but it is never going to work without Node.

[Mark S.]

Sorry. I tend to think of Bob and BobEXE with the same terminology.

[Jed Carty]

They are effectively the same, BobEXE is just packaged.

[Birthe C]

Jed,

I am using BobEXE for linux.

In the tab Create Wikis we are offered to create from an html file. Is that possible, it does not work for me.

Birthe

[Jed Carty]

Birthe,

It looks like the problem is with Bob, not you. I must have broken that with some other change I made, I am fixing it now.