Braintags reading dumpster, grab it while you can

[David Gifford]

Hi everyone,

If you haven't seen much of me, it's because a) I have been quite busy this year, and b) I have been using Workflowy instead of TiddlyWiki for my Spanish resources and other things I used to use TiddlyWiki for. I still use TW every day for contacts, information, etc. But Workflowy, which I only discovered in May, gave me several things I always wanted out TiddlyWiki but could never get - all my info in one place, in an infinitely scaleable, zoomable document.

However, TiddlyWiki is still better than Workflowy at being a great dumping ground where I can quickly add items I read, browse or dream up. In TiddlyWiki I can just add and tag. So now I am looking at integrating the best of both of these great tools into a system where I use TW to gather notes, one TW per month, and use WF to organize those notes at the end of the month into a hierarchy, with links to the relevant source and topic tiddlers.

For those who don't know me, I have the tradition of offering here all of my experiments, in part for feedback, but in part so that you all who have helped me so much can see the fruits of your labors, and if the experiment (or some aspect of it) is helpful to you, you can in term benefit from my efforts.

The link to my latest experiment is here:

http://giffmex.org/.braintags.reading.template.html

It is a TW in which to create topic and source tiddlers, and from those tiddlers create note and image tiddlers. Very similar to my old NoteStorm and Braintags experiments but with a few twists here and there to get it to match the system I have in my head.

Three apologies: 1) I don't plan to offer support for this, or publicize it except for the present announcement. It is just for me, and for those who want to take it and benefit from it. In fact, if someone likes it and wants to host it, modify it, offer it online and offer support for it, be my guest. 2) My apologies to Jeremy for hijacking a few of the standard icons and making them represent things other than what they were created for. 3) Apologies that, if my system works well, once again you won't see much of me in this group. Since I tend to show up when I start tinkering and run into roadblocks. My goal is always to stop tinkering and get on to the greater joy of reading and note-taking.

Many thanks to those who have answered my questions in the last day or two, and all those who have helped me throughout my TiddlyWiki learning curve.

Hope this experiment is helpful to you all in some way. Blessings,

Dave

[Tobias Beer]

Hi David,

Glad to see you back.

Workflowy looks really interesting...

I almost feel like I want to make it a plugin,

but then I quickly come to realize that something like this so very much

begs for unchanging UUIDs, not tiddler titles! Grrr. ;-)

In terms of Drag-And-Drop'ability,

Workflowy pretty much is what we should be striving for.

There's one pattern you've been using plenty in the past

and that I would hope I can discourage you from using: these templaty tiddlers.

In TW5 there is the simple way of using custom / conditional viewtemplates,

so no need to place "code" in every single tiddler.

Or, if you want it to be optional, then use a global macro...

or set a tag / field at a tiddler in order to enable/disable your automagic related list.

Best wishes,

— tb

[David Gifford]

Thanks Tobias

I looked under the hood again after reading your advice. I do use global viewtemplate tiddlers for some stuff. I did figure out how to delete one of the templates in my local version by putting the tag in the button. So now there is no term/topic template in my local version.

The global macro would help reduce a little clutter, especially for the list filter in the notes. But I think at the moment what you are suggesting is beyond my abilities. To do a global macro I would have to do one containing a list filter, but the " in the filter interrupts the macro - not sure what to do about that.

Since it is just for me, not really for others, the small code in the templates (an image link and a list filter) is not really bothersome, and in my system I don't have to worry about file size since each month I will start a new file.

Dave

Also, by doing it this way I remove the need for tagging every note with note and every image with image.

[Mark S.]

Hi Tobias,

That's a nice write-up on conditional view templates. Will you be adding it to tiddlywiki.com?

In your examples, the tiddlers " $:/.tb/ui/ViewTemplate/summary" and " $:/.tb/ui/ViewTemplate/url " don't appear to exist anymore, probably replaced by " $:/.tb/ui/ViewTemplate/summary-link" ??

Thanks!
Mark

On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 2:39:56 AM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote:

Hi David,

Glad to see you back.

Workflowy looks really interesting...

I almost feel like I want to make it a plugin,

but then I quickly come to realize that something this so very much

begs for unchanging UUIDs, not tiddler titles! Argh. ;-)

[Tobias Beer]

 Hi Mark,

That's a nice write-up on conditional view templates. Will you be adding it to tiddlywiki.com?

I think I've already seen a little something like this, wherever $:/tags/ViewTemplate is defined.

See: Page and tiddler layout customisation.

It's a little more prosaic, perhaps.

In your examples, the tiddlers " $:/.tb/ui/ViewTemplate/summary" and " $:/.tb/ui/ViewTemplate/url " don't appear to exist anymore, probably replaced by " $:/.tb/ui/ViewTemplate/summary-link" ??

Thank you for pointing out,

I thought I  did a thorough search + replace

when moving to node based managing and restructuring things.

I guess that one slipped right through. ;-)
Fixed.

Best wishes,

— tb

[David Gifford]

I am really enjoying this new system of mine. Nice to be using TiddlyWiki again, but also benefitting from the features of Workflowy.

Here is a link to some of the notes I have taken in the last few days, so you can get an idea what the end result looks like.

http://giffmex.org/2015-10.html

Dave

[Pit.W.]

Dave,

thanks for sharing.

I always carry one braintags template on my android phone, to take notes while travelling. And another one on the USB stick around my neck.

Nicely colored theme btw.

Regards to You and Yours

Pit

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[David Gifford]

Thanks for the encouraging words about braintags old and new, PitW.

Once I have played with my notetaking system a couple months and see whether it works for me, I will do a write up on my blog, and post a link here.

Dave

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[David Gifford]

Hi all

I did a significant update to the Braintags template and the example file:

http://giffmex.org/.braintags.reading.template.html

http://giffmex.org/2015-10.html

Dave

On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Dave,

Here's an updated version of the search and replace functionality...

Search And Replace Tag @ tb5

Also, ever tried this:

<iframe src="https://workflowy.com/" style="width:100%;height:800px;"/>

?

Not sure if it will work forever or if they start frame-busting at any moment.

Best wishes,

— tb

[David Gifford]

Hi Tobias

Thanks a million for the much nicer version of Search and Replace!

Yes, iFrames work for shared Workflowys. For example if you look closely at the edges you will see I have an html page iframing a shared Workflowy here http://recursos.giffmex.org/

Blessings

Dave

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[Tobias Beer]

Hi Dave,

 

Yes, iFrames work for shared Workflowys. For example if you look closely at the edges you will see I have an html page iframing a shared Workflowy here http://recursos.giffmex.org/

That's rather interesting. Perhaps double check with Workflowy if they intend to do frame-busting at some point in the future if you wish to rely on that functionality.

Best wishes,

— tb

[David Gifford]

If you want to share a portion of your Workflowy, you choose 'Share,' then choose whether users with that link may edit or may only view the Workflowy portion, and then with another click it generates the link. You can email it, iframe it, paste the link to a webpage, whatever. It is yours to share. So I doubt they will move to framebusting for these shared Workflowys.

Dave

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[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Dave

Great that you’re using Workflowy, I’ve kept an eye on it over the years and it’s a nice product. It’s good for the TW project if the community is exposed to the ideas of other apps.

Anyhow, I notice that Workflowy has an OPML export feature. OPML is a standard XML-based format for representing outlines (it was invented by Dave Winer of RSS fame, and also used by his outlining tools such as http://littleoutliner.com).

Would it be useful to be able to import Workflowy outlines into TiddlyWiki? One could imagine a conversion process that created a separate tiddler for each node in the outline, using tags to tie them together into the outline.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[David Gifford]

Hi Jeremy,

That's an interesting idea.

1. Actually when I read your first question, I thought you meant transferring a Workflowy outline into a tiddler and adding the right number of asterisk before each line. That would be really handy, as text transfer from bulleted outlines in Word, Workflowy, etc to TiddlyWiki requires going back and adding asterisks to every line. I would say this would be more desirable for me than what you described, one tiddler per WF node.

2. I am just about to head to class, so I need to run, but let me think for a bit about possible usecases might benefit from what you are describing. To be honest, I am finding I like Workflowy for hierarchical outlining, and article writing, and I like TiddlyWiki for other reasons - dumpiing and tagging notes, list filtering, internal links, writing for publishing to the web where I need to have control over formats, have tables and images, etc. So there is not too much overlap.

Blessings

Dave

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[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Dave

1. Actually when I read your first question, I thought you meant transferring a Workflowy outline into a tiddler and adding the right number of asterisk before each line. That would be really handy, as text transfer from bulleted outlines in Word, Workflowy, etc to TiddlyWiki requires going back and adding asterisks to every line. I would say this would be more desirable for me than what you described, one tiddler per WF node.

The Workflowy text export function is very close to what you need. It looks like this:

- This is a list item

- And another

  - #something

  - and more

  - and more

  - and more

- [COMPLETE] And an

- [COMPLETE] other

- 

- [COMPLETE] This is an outliner

- 

One could imagine a 20 line JavaScript macro that could convert that format into a TiddlyWiki asterisk-list

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[David Gifford]

Hey Jeremy,

20 lines doesn't sound like much work! Hopefully someone here will turn what you imagine into a reality!

Dave

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[Matabele]

Hi

Would it not be possible to include parsing rules for this format in  $:/core/modules/parsers/rules/list.js?

regards

[Matabele]

Hi

Might be handy to include this technique in the parsing rules: https://github.com/tgrosinger/tw5-checklist

regards