What's the point with titles NOT as links?

[Mat]

What are the arguments to NOT have titles set to be links by default - other than the blue color etc (which is very easily styled to look e.g like plain text) ?

<:-)

[PMario]

Hi Mat,

By default they just link to themselves, which is pretty much useless.. for me.
If you want to d&d import open tiddlers to an other browser window, they are handy.

So it depends.
-m

[Danielo Rodríguez]

You should think what are the advantages. For me, it's just one, and I don't use it very often. Better not confuse 99% of the users

[codacoder...@outlook.com]

I think it clear that Mat is asking about NOT having them as links. I see no strong argument for that. 

There is I guess an argument to be made for not confusing new users - but really, I'd make them default to being links so that dragging "just works" and cover it with documentation.

[Rob Hoelz]

You mean the "Enable automatic ~CamelCase linking" setting? If so, I'm the weird one, it seems!

I don't like the automatic behavior because I write a lot of CamelCase words and I don't like seeing a bunch of broken links in my tiddlers.  But that's just me =)

-Rob

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:02:01 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

Erm ... do you mean ...


We talking about display, right? I see little advantage in having them as visible links. Its just excess visual noise for most usage. They still, of course, function as linkable tiddlers.

PMario points out you lose dragability, but I'd just switch them on for that if I needed it as a regular action. But there seems little point in having them on as the default.

OR do you mean this setting ...

I think this setting is much more dependent on use cases than with the first scenario. Its obviously got direct functionality in some authoring situations. Even so, I suspect CamelCase is less universally used (i.e. writers are consciously using it) than one might suppose & I doubt most users would notice if the default were "off".

Best wishes
Josiah

[Mark S.]

* Accidental linking to terms that happen to contain camelcase
* Have to use additional formatting to turn off on terms where it's not wanted
* If you change the target tiddler name, the link disappears (at least with [[]] you could search for the brackets)
* Even if you change link color with CSS, clicking on word will take you to a different tiddler. Can you suppress tooltip message with CSS?
* Maybe ... (can someone verify this?) dynamic linking slows TW down as text is searched and replaced with links

The big issue would be that nobody really seems to leverage CamelCase as links (you rarely see it being used that way), and that it may confuse newbies. In the 90s, it seemed like a neat idea. But I've never found that I use it that much. In practice, tagging and searching are more useful.

Have fun,
Mark

[codacoder...@outlook.com]

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 12:48:57 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:

The big issue would be that nobody really seems to leverage CamelCase as links (you rarely see it being used that way), and that it may confuse newbies. In the 90s, it seemed like a neat idea. But I've never found that I use it that much. In practice, tagging and searching are more useful.

+1 

[Mat]

Ouch thread going havoc

NO - I'm NOT talking about camelcase autolinking (which I really dislike)

I'm talking about this:




Ok, so to sum up it seems people don't have any particular arguments against titles as links.

Danielo mentions possible confusion for users, presumably that clicking it doesn't lead anywhere, but I frankly thing few would be confused by this. (Particularly if the title was not styled as a link). AND, clicking the title link does do something; It scrolls the window so the tiddler is at screen top if it wasn't there before!

As noted, the other advantage is when copying tiddlers between TWs. This is perhaps not needed all that often BUT in public TWs, I find a tiddler every now and then that I want to copy and where the link simplifies.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the input.

<:-)

[Danielo Rodríguez]

I still think that the average user does not need this . The use case is small , a d people can easily activate it on the control panel. Having a link not styled as a link is even more confusing. Maybe what may make sense is to allow drag and drop of titles by default, without linking

[Rob Hoelz]

Whoops, sorry if I cause the thread to go off the rails!  I didn't even know that there was such a setting, which is my excuse for the confusion. =)

[Lost Admin]

I personally don't care if the titles (as you explained below) are links or not. I personally have only wanted the tiddler titles to be links once, when I wanted to copy a tiddler between two wikis and needed the link so I could drag it.

My personal best guess as to why there is an option is because someone wanted them to be links and someone didn't. The easiest way to resolve the disagreement was add an option in tiddlywiki.

Just to keep the confusion going ;-) I want to like CamelCase but I don't. Of course, I don't have to use it since we have [[ and ]].