x-wiki

[Handoko Suwono]

I am stumbled upon x-wiki and still try to figure out how this relates to TiddlyWiki or TiddlyWiki X. Is there anyone who can make a comparison to TW or has  any experience exploring the x-wiki? 

What is that x-thing in TW?

http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/

Thanks.

handoko -

[Arlen Beiler]

TiddlyWiki X was only recently used by another user (not Jeremy that I know of) to refer to the next big remake of TiddlyWiki. Obviously, TiddlyWiki Five is billed as a remake for the next 25 years, so I don't know that X is on the roadmap yet. There is so much potential that has not been explored in TiddlyWiki Five that talking about TiddlyWiki X is a little early. 

X-Wiki is much more comparable to MediaWiki than it is to TiddlyWiki. It is written in Java instead of PHP, but other than that it seems the features are very similar. 

Both X-Wiki and MediaWiki differ from TW in that TW is single-file oriented, even for the server version, whereas MediaWiki and X-Wiki are page and site oriented.

Hope that helps,

Arlen

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[Handoko Suwono]

thanks a lot.

Therefore I can say that x-wiki is database oriented and more
comparable to NoteSelf which is built around TW5.
https://noteself.github.io/

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[Sylvain Naudin]

Le samedi 4 novembre 2017 08:51:14 UTC+1, Handoko Suwono a écrit :

thanks a lot.

Therefore I can say that x-wiki is database oriented and more
comparable to NoteSelf which is built around TW5.
https://noteself.github.io/

handoko -

Hello,

Well, no you can't say it's comparable to NoteSelf which is a TiddlyWiki program ;)

Indeed both are use to build database knowledge because you can make it your own, but X-Wiki is more collaborative tool than personnal web notebook, with adon like GoogleDocs to write collaborative tools for example.

Cheers,

Sylvain

[@TiddlyTweeter]

The problem with the word "wiki" is it comes to mean a load of things it never originally intended.

X-Wiki is, as others mention, is not anything close to TW other than being a "wiki" (wiki="a user friendly author driven medium." Though its meaning nowadays got messed up by both Wikipedia & Mr. Assange).

https://noteself.github.io/ and https://maarfapad.cloudno.de are innovations of TiddlyWiki that save to database rather than file. Otherwise they are exactly the same.

"TWX" moniker has probably gone public before it should have. I blame Mat :-) who started a thread on it in the TiddlyWikiDev group. I knew of it but kept stum till he opened his mouth on it.

"TWX" is Jeremy Ruston's personal code for a possible future TW that simplifies the current version & addresses some of its issues.

That said, Arlen is right, there is much, much scope in TW5 that is still actively developing and, basically, TWX is Jermolene's baby with HIS gestation period, however long, not ours.

Best wishes
Josiah

[Jeremy Ruston]

To clarify, I’m not actually building TWX at the moment, nor do I plan to any time soon.

At this stage, it’s just a thread through my personal notes about core design choices in TiddlyWiki 5 that are too late to change, but that I would now approach differently.

The classic example is the way that the core JS gives special treatment to certain tiddler fields like “tags" and "list" that cannot easily be duplicated by users for their own custom fields. That issue has come up when people have been exploring creating their own custom tags-like fields.

These fundamental limitations are actually pretty rare and obscure, but it’s useful to be able to talk about them. Much of the previous discussion prompted by TWX has actually focussed on ideas that can be implemented without incompatible core changes (I’m thinking particularly of Mat’s fascinating suggestion for different semantics for the story river; as far as I can see there’s nothing stopping that idea being implemented on the present core).

Best wishes

Jeremy

On 4 Nov 2017, at 10:42, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddly...@assays.tv> wrote:

The problem with the word "wiki" is it comes to mean a load of things it never originally intended.

X-Wiki is, as others mention, is not anything close to TW other than being a "wiki" (wiki="a user friendly author driven medium." Though its meaning nowadays got messed up by both Wikipedia & Mr. Assange).

https://noteself.github.io/ and https://maarfapad.cloudno.de are innovations of TidltyWiki that save to database rather than file. Otherwise they are exactly the same.

"TWX" moniker has probably gone public before it should have. I blame Mat :-) who started a thread on it in the TiddlyWikiDev group. I knew of it but kept stum till he opened his mouth on it.

"TWX" is Jeremy Ruston's personal code for a possible future TW that simplifies the current version & addresses some of its issues. 

That said, Arlen is right, there is much, much scope in TW5 that is still actively developing and, basically, TWX is Jermolene's baby with HIS gestation period, however long, not ours.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 4 November 2017 02:59:12 UTC+1, Handoko Suwono wrote:

I am stumbled upon x-wiki and still try to figure out how this relates to TiddlyWiki or TiddlyWiki X. Is there anyone who can make a comparison to TW or has  any experience exploring the x-wiki? 

What is that x-thing in TW?

http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/

Thanks.

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[Handoko Suwono]

I understand that wikileaks is nothing close to 'wiki' however I
always refer to explain TW in such close comparison to Wikipedia or
MediaWiki. Perhaps the non-linearity can explain TW better and the
possible editing, saving and tagging.

Hope to differ things between TW and other document processors.


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[Handoko Suwono]

Thanks Sylvain.

Are you currently with x-wiki?

I am a bit disappointed when TW is lacking behind x-wiki in Google Code-in contest which I was participating as a mentor. 

https://opensource.googleblog.com/2018/01/google-code-in-2017-winners.html

For several years as a mentor, I did create many tasks related to TW. However since last year the host organisation had prevented me of pushing more TW tasks into the GCI programs in favor of x-wiki. So it means two years in a row.

TW tasks were much appreciated in 2014 and 2015 when a lot of GCI participants had chosen TW for their tasks. But not this time when the number of TW tasks were substantially reduced and been rejected.

My questions are,

a. Is TW loosing popularity because of other personal wiki or just x-wiki? Because only x-wiki joined the contest, the other one is WikiMedia.

b. Do you think later advancement in TW does create confusion in the personal wiki market place? 

c. Is there any chance to gain more popularity for this much loved TW?

I think this situation reflects TW in real world than in deluded mind of closed community.

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