Revisiting the outliner idea

[David Gifford]

Hi all

I felt so bad for derailing a recent thread on using TW as an outliner, and dousing cold water on the discussion, that I revisited the idea and wanted to extend an olive branch as my way of apologizing to Tony and Vytas and others there.

Here is a quick idea I came up with. I made some progress, and outline what would still need to be figured out: http://giffmex.org/experiments/twdynaflowy.html#Progress%20and%20problems:%5B%5BProgress%20and%20problems%5D%5D%20HQ%20%24%3A%2F.giffmex%2Ftoc.children%20%24%3A%2F.giffmex%2Ftocstylesheet%20%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmacros%2Ftoc

Blessings, Dave

[PMario]

Hi Dave,

I did create a tocP plugin some time ago: https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP/

 - It uses a "parent-field" instead of tags to create the TOC structure.
   - It also implements a "new-child-here" button, similar to your + buttons.

 - It can use different fields to build a TOC.
   - So there can be several tocP's using the same tiddlers, but creating a different structure

 - I also did create a tocMerge-experiment macro, that allows us to combine tag-based and field-based TOCs into one outline

So with some work it would be possible to create a relatively flexible outline structure, if we would combine these functionalities.

It would be also possible to show "caption" or "subtitle" field instead of the tiddler title, if those fields exist.

An advanced possibility would be to create the structure completely independent of the tiddler titles. Only using fields.

So renaming tiddlers would not mess with the outline structure. This would give us much more flexibility.

Just some ideas.

have fun!
mario

[PMario]

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 4:26:08 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

I felt so bad for derailing a recent thread on using TW as an outliner, and dousing cold water on the discussion,....

Which one? I do remember some outlining discussion, but have no link anymore.

Can you point me into the right direction?

-m

[David Gifford]

This one. I got a little overly defensive about outliners since most comments in this group, that I have read, have been a little negative

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/RNqJR1s6ysk

David Gifford

Mexico team leader, Mexico City

Resonate Global Mission
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[David Gifford]

​Wow, those are a lot of great ideas to think about and play with! Thanks Mario!

I totally forgot I had an outlining section of my toolmap. I should also go browse the other entries in that section...

David Gifford

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[David Gifford]

Hi Mario!

I just made some modifications to your tocP and got a step further. Here is the result so far

http://giffmex.org/experiments/twdynaflowy.html#HQ2

Thanks again.

David Gifford

Mexico team leader, Mexico City

Resonate Global Mission
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A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:31 PM, PMario <pmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

[TonyM]

A key need in my view for the outliner was voiced by Vytas the original poster, and others subsequently. 

This is my view of the requirements.

It is basically listing the content of all tiddlers in the equivalent of a TOC structure. With or without the titles, and with or without view\edit icons. Allowing closure of each level in the view.

The result will be a single tiddler that looks like a finished "book", that can be printed, or used to locate pieces to edit.

In Edit mode the ability to insert create tiddlers as content

Its outliner quality comes from its hierarchical structure and single view.

Regards

Tony

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 3:45:19 AM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:

This one. I got a little overly defensive about outliners since most comments in this group, that I have read, have been a little negative

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/RNqJR1s6ysk

David Gifford

Mexico team leader, Mexico City

Resonate Global Mission
Engaging People. Embracing Christ.
A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
resonateglobalmission.org

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:39 PM, PMario <pmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 4:26:08 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

I felt so bad for derailing a recent thread on using TW as an outliner, and dousing cold water on the discussion,....

Which one? I do remember some outlining discussion, but have no link anymore.

Can you point me into the right direction?

-m

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[TonyM]

David,

While working through the pre-release I saw reference to the https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/text-slicer/ which if the truth be told is a long way to establishing the out-liner technology. As others have said but I never understood.

I will look at in more detail in time, but it may be the first port of call.

Regards

Tony