Save-Tiddlers Extension is not compatible with the latest Firefox

[Morgaine O'Herne]

Firefox  52.8.0 does not work with Save Tiddlers 0.8.  I thought I'd better let someone know.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Erm, 52 is, I think, too old for that? I use 52 ESR because it will work for some months yet with TiddlyFox. Since it works with TiddlyFox I never messed with any other method of saving.

[Morgaine O'Herne]

Sorry. I confused myself. You'll find I do that a lot. 

I had forgotten that I'd dropped back to an earlier version of Firefox so I could use FireFTP.

So I'm using Chrome now for TW5 and it's working fine.

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[TonyM]

Josiah and Mogaine,

TiddlyFox was critical for a long time, we needed FireFox ESR to protect us until after the Tiddly-wiki Apocalypse, so now we are post apocalyptic and there are more save mechanisms than ever.  

For your desktop based wikis I would urge you to start moving to these more modern savers or hosts as soon as possible and return to using a later or the latest version of firefox if for no other reason but security.

Here is my recommended approach based on my own use, I suggest you consider it so you can choose to jump rather than be pushed.

My recommended approach for most TiddlyFox replacements would be to install TiddlyServer on your desktop and configure a path in the settings.json to the folder below which you maintain your tiddlywikis. Now this is sometimes a little fiddly however once configured you can browse to any tiddlywiki file or folder and open it in your browser window. I have configured a set of paths as illistrated in the attached image, and specified in the attached settings.json (for Windows).

If you trust the networks your computer connects to use the IP network 0.0.0.0 and you can then access the wikis in any browser in the network including say a tablet or smartphone, using the IP address your computer obtains in that network. I then set auto-load on my Windows 10 to start the TiddlyServer.

Personally once I am more comfortable with configuring Jeds Bob server (Single Executable)  I will move my heavy use wikis to that, with a directory of links to my key wikis listed in the master wiki. The key reason for this is I will stop pinning the tabs of my Wikis in the browser and access them as needed from a link in the masterwiki, with bob it will not matter if I open the wiki in multiple tabs or browsers as the multi-access feature should protect me from accidental overwrites, for many of my wikis this will mean they migrate from single file to folder based wikis, from which I can generate single File wikis as needed.

Regards

Tony

[TonyM]

Post Script,

TiddltyServer download is obtained here https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer

Then 

Regards

Tony

[TonyM]

NodeJS Can easily be installed from Here https://nodejs.org/en/download/

[Birthe C]

Hi TonyM,

When you do, please explain. I haven't been able to find out and would very much like to use this.

Birthe

[TonyM]

Birth,

I am only familiar with Windows, and Slow with a MAC, what are you using?

From the above link it is easy to install node JS on your computer. eg I use the 

Windows Installer (.msi)64bit

The above installs node, the npm package manager and adds it to the path

Once installed type "node" in the Windows Search and you will see Node.js Desktop App

Clicking on this opens a window with a  ">" prompt

However now it is in the path open a command prompt 

If you type at the C:\> prompt "node" it will go into the aforementioned ">" prompt (ctrl-d to exist

And you can type NPM <command> at the windews C:\> prompt

Follow the step 2 + located at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js

C:\> npm install -g tiddlywiki




and let it run, This is also how you update tiddlywiki within NodeJS

This is basically the installation of an "npm" package called tiddlywiki

C:\> tiddlywiki --version




to check it is installed and the version




Now follow sets 5+ at  located at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js

Step 5.1

tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server

Basically creates a folder wiki called mynewwiki, do this as often as you wish to create wikis

Note the Folder wiki is created below the folder in which you run this command and next time you run tiddlywiki you need to be in the folder above to use tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server

Step 5.2 

tiddlywiki mynewwiki --server

The above Basically runs the new wiki from that point forward

I placed this command in a batch file to start when I login (using the Windows Scheduling app)

Visit http://127.0.0.1:8080/ to access your wiki.

Add a tiddler and it should autosave, clicking Save may trigger the download dialogue




You can start it with a different port number tiddlywiki psat.com.au --init server 8082

or to be accessible on your lan tiddlywiki studio8d --server "" "" "" "" "" "" "0.0.0.0"

 

I Found this https://tiddlywiki.com/#ServerCommand




--server <port> <roottiddler> <rendertype> <servetype> <username> <password> <host> <pathprefix>




The parameters are:

• port - port number to serve from (defaults to "8080")
• roottiddler - the tiddler to serve at the root (defaults to "$:/core/save/all")
• rendertype - the content type to which the root tiddler should be rendered (defaults to "text/plain")
• servetype - the content type with which the root tiddler should be served (defaults to "text/html")
• username - the default username for signing edits
• password - optional password for basic authentication
• host - optional hostname to serve from (defaults to "127.0.0.1" aka "localhost")
• pathprefix - optional prefix for paths

If the password parameter is specified then the browser will prompt the user for the username and password. Note that the password is transmitted in plain text so this implementation isn't suitable for general use.

I hope this helps

Personally I now only use TiddlyDesktop (for TWC) TiddlyServer (file and Folder wikis) and I am adopting Bob 

Tony

[Birthe C]

Hi Tony,

Thank you. I am using Linux Mate, but I have node installed as you explain. That works fine. (your explanation is a very good one though - and all of it in one place.)

I use TiddlyDesktop mainly to make it easy for my boyfriend to use some wikies, TWclassic and TW5. It is only a few really.  TiddlyServer (file and Folder wikis) and have just updated. I like that a lot.

I am having problems with Bob. Jed created a single executable for 32 bit, and that was what I needed. It starts and open the wiki in my browser (Chromium), but that is all. ( It is clear to me that I totally lack understanding - it works like tiddly Flop for me) ;-). 

I am an end user  of TW and Linux and know nothing about servers. I am mostly a copy paster or trial and error person ;-)

Birthe

[TonyM]

Birthe,

The world would not be so beautiful except for the divercity in all things.

Bob allows you to access one wiki from multiple browser windows including other users on other computers especialy youself but also with a team. Perhaps even just our partners.

Bobs features are I believe central to a number of game changing posibilities for tiddlywiki because of similtaniouse use which has until now demanded read only viewers or serial editing which forces a manual check out process to avoid overwriting each others work.

My mind is teaming with the possibilities but you can just keep it in the back of your mind until some great solution emerges on top of bob or you find your own need for it.

The point however there are no longer any effective limits on saving in tiddlywiki.

Regards
Tony

[Morgaine O'Herne]

Thanks for the good advice Tony. I'll give that a try.

-Morgaine

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM... we needed FireFox ESR to protect us until after the Tiddly-wiki Apocalypse, so now we are post apocalyptic and there are more save mechanisms than ever.

Right and ESR will remain viable and perfectly secure till at least August. Probably November.

My issue is NOT TiddlyWiki in Firefox. Its everything else. Principally extensions that ...

(1) allow editing to text areas with your fav editor

(2) the superb Scrapbook add-on I can't find anything yet that to replace it.

(3) tools that allow creating new FF profiles dynamically that let you run many customized FF instances at once.

(4) many customization plugins that change the interface

All these go away with WebExtensions.

I do have interest if some of the LOST FUNCTIONS that "WebExtensions" lack could be taken up by TW. I guess indexing sites is the most powerful and interesting possible route. One that BJ's TiddlyClip starts to approach.

Josiah

[Mark S.]

Scrapbook was useful, but once you got stuff in, it was trapped there. It didn't synchronize with anything and didn't have any apps. And there weren't a lot of organizing/searching tools.

There's a successor to Scrapbook based on the old code, but it doesn't seem to be very actively maintained.

Zoho has a real nice clipper, but it doesn't seem to have an export function.

I've been thinking about a different approach. One of the best tools for web-clipping is Word. And one of the best tools for organizing is Calibre. You select what you want and paste it into an empty word doc. Edit out the adverts. Then you save the doc. When you have time you drag into Calibre where you can convert to epub. A selection of documents can be sent to your mobile devices either by cable connection or by using Calibre Companion. The main thing is that the documents are always under your control, so you don't have to worry about losing them.

-- Mark 

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. wrote:

Scrapbook was useful, but once you got stuff in, it was trapped there.

 

I've been thinking about a different approach. One of the best tools for web-clipping is Word. And one of the best tools for organizing is Calibre.

 
Right.

Same time, part of this is about what TW can do, which is changing. Bob's robo scripts look promising too.

J.

[TonyM]

Josiah,

I understand you grief at the possible loss, I experienced it myself. However I bit the bullet and moved to the latest version with ease (keeping ESR on my computer in case seriously required. Some of the lost function has re-appeared in updates or new plugins and as you suggested new functionality in TiddlyWiki is making up for some of it, like its all text to edit in an external browser is replaced by the code mirror plugin. Fire Fox profiles ? I use Chrome users to allow independent logins to similar accounts, why are you using these profiles? 

Any way I am suggesting we can work together to find replacements and try and avoid ESR because it is "the past" if you know what I mean.

Regards

Tony

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S.

A few days thought & trials later :-)

Right. Scrapbox doesn't do much other than creates structures of pages. BUT its all exportable and with RDF indices. I'm not giving up yet with a decade of archives.

Mark S. wrote:

I've been thinking about a different approach. One of the best tools for web-clipping is Word. And one of the best tools for organizing is Calibre.

I looked at Calibre. Used it. And was taken by it.

That is a seriously good bit of software for e-doc people. Its really well thought through. Thanks for the heads-up!

Josiah

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM

For some features in Firefox ESR 52 as I have it still, and will remain with yet as my main browser ... eventually to go ...

But the biggest significant change for me is Bob "automation". It adds back in a customisable way a lot of things I need.

However, the Profiling system I have on Firefox ESR 52 there is NO equivalent for. Its simply brilliant. I see NO replacement anywhere approximate to it.

My chagrin with WebExtensions is people keep crapping on about how secure they need be etc. But in years of using FF I NEVER, ever heard of any serious meltdown in its Add-Ons. I'm not a techie, but I know a story when I see one.

The ONLY issue with staying on 52 a while is possible CSS innovation support it won't keep up with. Its perfectly secure. So far nothing I noticed looks weird.

Best wishes
Josiah

TonyM wrote:

...  I bit the bullet and moved to the latest version with ease

[TonyM]

Josiah,

You are free to do what you want, of course. I just know that in time holding back with an older version can cause problems too, as you know.

Feel free to clarify what you do/or would use and people may propose alternatives (when you are ready)., I for one was a multi-profile FireFox user user for some time. I moved to Chrome and its users to get each profile isolated from each other so a crash or user login credentials did not leak across sessions. I believe FF now has this (either before or after V52).

Best Wishes

Tony