IT'S ALL WRONG, especially documents, says Ted in 2011

[Charlie Veniot]

Just in case this is of any interest for a coffee break:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0UN-gXBZE

I do find Ted Nelson eccentric.

I often think: "I'm not sure what his problem is, but I'm sure it is hard to spell."

I always enjoy listening to him.  I always find what he has to say fantastic.

Whenever he says something, it gives me new insights into sometimes unrelated things, but usually things that have me thinking about how I organize stuff in TiddlyWiki, or how TiddlyWiki handles things so well

[TW Tones]

Thanks Charlie,

Led me on to the series Computers for Cynics, I saw the 1st and look forward to more.

It is nice to hear someone question the things I have done in the past, and while cynicism can be corrosive, I do not think so when it questions "unchallenged received wisdom". As a conceptual thinker, I who is always trying to what if any essential concepts can be derived from complex systems, it is a fact that we have to revisit the "paradigms" and "Axioms" repeatedly something which commercial enterprises usually don't like doing, least it eat into profits.

Part of my love for tiddlywiki is it a platform on which I organise, view and manipulate knowledge the way I want to. Playing with the the "paradigms", "Axioms" and assumptions. Just as the "general Purpose computer" permits an almost limitless computation, tiddlywiki permits an almost limitless ways to store information or knowledge. Structured and unstructured.

Tones

[TiddlyTweeter]

cj.v ... I often think: "I'm not sure what his problem is, but I'm sure it is hard to spell."

Yeah!

Ted Nelson was/is very interesting. Why? Because he is passionate about the cognizance of how the human brain is not hard coded, it is organic flexibility.

The human knows more than the computer and  can immediately grasp and use newness. Computers are quite a blunt tool really.

It is an on-going saga how the internet, especially HTML, is driving in a direction that is not the wet-ware we are.

For a long time I was very interested in Nelson's Project Xanadu but it didn't really fruit.

Nelson,  I think, points towards the importance of information design. And that representation of information matters a lot. 

HTML has limits that are actually quite restrictive. For instance, the "list" construct is very crude. Descendant hierarchies are fine, but it is all so binary if you can't go "wet" when you need to.

Rambling

TT

[strikke...@gmail.com]

TT,

For a long time I was very interested in Nelson's Project Xanadu but it didn't really fruit.

In danish we have a saying, "En fugl i hånden er bedre end ti på taget."

I think you say: "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". ....But I find the danish better.....ti på taget= ten on the roof.

Birthe

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Birthe,

strikke...@gmail.com wrote: 

In danish we have a saying, "En fugl i hånden er bedre end ti på taget."

I think you say: "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". ....But I find the danish better.....ti på taget= ten on the roof.

Google translates that as ... "A bird in hand is better than ten on the roof" ...

Just FYI on lingo, that reminded me of Ten Green Bottles, a childish English rhyme.

TT, x