Covid & Tiddlywiki

[Steven Schneider]

Reintroducing myself to the group: I'm the college professor who's taught tiddlywiki in designwritestudio.com for a long time, and more recently as the Interim Provost used tiddlywiki to post faculty office hours.

Today, I"m focused on sharing an easy-to-update and consume guide for students and faculty outlining our response. It is changing rapidly (hourly, sometimes), and we keep adding things, etc. And the University is not well equipped with web-based technology; getting web pages posted is problematic. I think I've got a way to live-publish (you'd think it woulnd't be hard) (might just go to a blog)

I probably need to export single tiddlers as html. TW is a great tool for gathering multiple pieces of informatiron and transclusion. I'd really like to incorporate the <$reveal> functionality, which is probalby html5? this is pretty much out of my league. And I have a few hours...(I can always relaunch it monday...)

Thanks,

//steve.

[Mat]

Hiya professor Steve. 

Sharing in what type of forum? e-mail? Any webpage? Official faculty website? A common drive storage? RSS?... And you say "I think I've got a way to live-publish" - what do you mean?

<:-)

[Steven Schneider]

Thanks, Mat. 

I need a simple html web page [ though it can have javascript etc. Tiddlywiki gets  cranky sometimes when user leaves the page and asks for a save (probably an option i could turn off). it's ok for office hours, but this is a highly visible and scrutinized effort, and must be flawless. I guess I've needed a better "public facing web page interface only" theme, but didn't get to getting it together. Perhaps that's the better way to go. 

My immediate goal is to write in a tiddler <$appear show="How to find your class online">This is how you find our class online</$appear>, using the <$appear> plugin, and then export-tiddler-as html, and have the functionality present such that, you get that little functionality i see all over the web. 

I'm so spoiled by TW I have no idea how folks exist in the real world of html. 

//steve.

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Steven M. Schneider

Interim Provost | Professor, Communications and Information Design

SUNY Polytechnic Institute  | st...@sunypoly.edu

315.792.7200

100 Seymour Avenue

Utica, NY 13502

Pronouns: he/him/his

[Mat]

I think someone very recently published or maybe just linked to some kind of public no-write edition. Hopefully someone will fill in what I'm referring to here.

I'm not really familiar with the appear-plugin but I'm interpreting it to be something that works in a static wiki/tiddler.

But, yeah, it sounds like a simple solution to have a single static tiddler that simply "grows" for each update. What would be the drawbacks with this?

<:-)

[TonyM]

Steven,

Your time limited requirement here does suggest we should have a ready to publish read only edition for use. Perhaps I can throw one together.

Just hiding many of the toolbar buttons which some call a read only view, turning off autosave and changing the filter in $:/config/SaverFilter may go a long way to what you are looking for. see https://tiddlywiki.com/#SavingMechanism you can change this filter so the save icon which you hide never turns red.

If you think the infinite story confuses people consider using a different story view, provide menus and install $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs to add tabs at the top so people can locate multiple tiddlers that are open

Also close the side bar before saving to publish, the trick is to have a save button available in the menus or a hidden tiddler so you can make the wiki wysiwyg before saving to publish.

I have a tiddler I set to designermode = no then use this to switch off items through out the wiki for publishing. 

Regards

Tony

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 5:42:17 AM UTC+11, Steven Schneider wrote:

Thanks, Mat. 

I need a simple html web page [ though it can have javascript etc. Tiddlywiki gets  cranky sometimes when user leaves the page and asks for a save (probably an option i could turn off). it's ok for office hours, but this is a highly visible and scrutinized effort, and must be flawless. I guess I've needed a better "public facing web page interface only" theme, but didn't get to getting it together. Perhaps that's the better way to go. 

My immediate goal is to write in a tiddler <$appear show="How to find your class online">This is how you find our class online</$appear>, using the <$appear> plugin, and then export-tiddler-as html, and have the functionality present such that, you get that little functionality i see all over the web. 

I'm so spoiled by TW I have no idea how folks exist in the real world of html. 

//steve.

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 2:32 PM Mat <matia...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hiya professor Steve. 

Sharing in what type of forum? e-mail? Any webpage? Official faculty website? A common drive storage? RSS?... And you say "I think I've got a way to live-publish" - what do you mean?

<:-)

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[Grigor]

While far from being certain that this is the best way… All I do is put a minus sign in front of the filter contained in: 

$:/config/SaverFilter

-[all[]] -$:/HistoryList -$:/StoryList -$:/Import -$:/isEncrypted -$:/UploadName -[prefix[$:/state/]] -[prefix[$:/temp/]]

And I also simply hide (usually) all buttons…

Then I save by opening this tiddler:

$:/core/ui/Buttons/save-wiki

And I do all of the above NOT in my main wiki file but on a copy of it (eg index.html), which I then publish for the world to ponder…

HTH -g-

[HC Haase]

There is also the

readonly theme from the official plugin theme tab. it is good at hiding edit buttons, but you may to hide the save button also.

for saving when the save button is hidden. use alt+s keyboard shortcut

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Steve,

I don’t know what Mat is referring to, but I mentioned Glitch a few times here, where you can publish a TW and reserve writing access for yourself or others knowing the credentials. The quickest way to set up a live TW for the web.

https://nota-bene.glitch.me/ is my personal set-up documentation, only a few steps to follow.

Points that might be on the negative side:

• yourname.glitch.me domain
• goes to sleep when not used

Positive: near-live updates for people watching, when you edit.

Examples: https://telmiger.glitch.me/ (some personal notes), https://bitsnpieces.glitch.me/ (thoughts about TiddlyWiki)

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Another solution I can think of: Maybe you can publish (upload) documents to your blog: Why not upload a TW.html file? If it is only text information it should load fast, even if the file size looks big as most servers compress files they send to the browser.

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Regarding the (maybe) main point of your OT: the reveal widget uses Javascript to insert/remove elements dynamically into/from the document. So that would not be easy to copy over to a blog.

As an alternative you could use my Details plugin – it produces an HTML 5 details-summary construct that can visually hide and show content that is always present. (The browser can handle it without Javascript). The resulting HTML can be copied over to another CMS and will probably not look the same but still work in most modern browsers. (Others would present the content in open state as they don’t understand the tags.)

I hope this helps.

All the best to you and your students!

Thomas

[A Gloom]

I'd really like to incorporate the <$reveal> functionality, which is probalby html5? this is pretty much out of my league. And I have a few hours...(I can always relaunch it monday...)

Just studied the system reveal js tiddler recently-- reveal uses html but not a direct correlation to a html "tag" like $button widget = html <button>, but it uses the display:none css on a div if I'm reading it right

[Thomas Elmiger]

Just for the record:

 it uses the display:none css on a div if I'm reading it right

This is true, but it is important to note, that while the content is not revealed and the display:none css is active, the respective HTML node is EMPTY like the <div> in

<div class=" tc-reveal" hidden="true"></div>

when the content is revealed, the node is filled using Javascript as stated above and would look like this:

<div class=" tc-reveal">
   <h1 class="">This is the revealed content</h1>
   <p>And this is some text</p>
</div>

So the strength of  reveal lies in hiding content, e.g. the solution of a test – you cannot peek into the solution by looking at the HTML code.

An HTML summary details combination would always keep the hidden content ready in the HTML. No Javascript needed.