Opinion: The triumph of Smartphones & The Cloud

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@TiddlyTweeter

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Aug 28, 2017, 8:54:55 AM8/28/17
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Perhaps the future of TW lays in the Cloud and on Smartphones? Hastened, perhaps, by the on-coming demise of normal file-saving in both FF & Chrome, the main futures may be: in-browser storage (Noteself), in-cloud storage (Noteself; other emergent stuff. I think Jeremy is working on that?), local, minimalist server that enables file-save (TiddlyServer) that also allows, likely, best continuity with the past, especially on desktops.

Also the wide move towards extensive smartphone usage is clear. And to do a lot of things iOS & Android are often more important now than PC & Mac.

The CSS for TW is pretty good overall, but I wouldn't say it was optimal for smartphones yet.

Just speculative thoughts
Josiah

P.S. Part of this came from my thoughts on a Twitter post by Thomas Elmiger of some Google research:  “96% of people turn to a smartphone to get things done” https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/consumer-insights/mobile-search-consumer-behavior-data/

Mark S.

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Aug 28, 2017, 9:20:12 AM8/28/17
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The default saving mechanism is ok as long as you have a launcher to make re-starting easy. I've done this with Windows and I'm sure it could be done with Mac and Linux. My post on the topic seemed to be greeted with yawns, alas.

I think it should be possible to make a small Android app that would do the same for smartphones.

On my smartphone, admittedly 4 generations behind, loading TW takes too long. Worse Android will arbitrarily de-load when I switch away to another app for more than a minute. This is why when to take a note or share information I'm more likely to use Simplenote.

Mark

Mat

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Aug 28, 2017, 9:44:14 AM8/28/17
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@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
Perhaps the future of TW lays in the Cloud and on Smartphones?

Given the political tensions and all other disasters evolving... I kind of feel the future lies in TWs on Raspberry Pies or similar... :-/

<:-)


Lost Admin

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Aug 28, 2017, 10:28:59 AM8/28/17
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I wonder if I can find a powerful enough and small enough battery to be able to carry a Raspberry Pi server in my pocket all day. An appropriate case will be tough.

Mark S.

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Aug 28, 2017, 11:50:24 AM8/28/17
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That was kind of my thought too. You could use a usb power pack and duck tape them together, I suppose.

Mark

Riz

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Aug 28, 2017, 11:53:18 AM8/28/17
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Am I somehow thoroughly mistaken or isn't this exactly what was elegantly solved Arlen's TiddlyServer? At under 500kb size, it is minimal as anything out there and can run on practically every platform available. If anything. IMHO, community should encourage Arlen to expand its feature set beyond TW. Say, a markdown parser, or and org-mode parser using existing node modules will convert it to a coveted knowledge-base solution.

Not to completely forget the efforts towards Danielo's NoteSelf.


@TiddlyTweeter

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Aug 28, 2017, 12:10:28 PM8/28/17
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Riz

Fully agree. Come November when Firefox will begin to fail chickens will come home to roost and the need will be more obvious. Arlen's already working solution is excellent. And i agree if anything deserves support, its that. Its the best CONTINUITY option IMO.

That does not mean that the Daniello Way is lesser. In fact his method may reach further.

Josiah

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Aug 28, 2017, 12:25:29 PM8/28/17
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In my opinion, we need both Daniello's Noteself and Arlen's server. They solve different problems.

NoteSelf is for cloud synchronizing your tiddlywikis that will only ever be for your own personal access. Or possibly shared among a small group. It offers offline availability and online synchronization but it does so by breaking the "one file wiki" approach (although it includes functionality to save a single file). One wiki, one (or a few) person, many devices.

Arlen's server keeps the one file  but it only exists on one device. There is no cloud component. There is no sync. There is no sharing. One wiki, one file, one person.

Yes, you can skip the cloud component for Noteself (but then you are only using a subset of it's capabilities) and you can share your one file with Arlen's server, but that isn't part of Arlen's solution (as far as I know). They serve different needs.


And yes, they both deserve support from us.


The Raspberry Pi Pocket Server, on the other hand, is a much bigger (and in my opinion, much sillier) idea. Have something akin to a home network server (files, website, media, whatever) that you can carry around in your pocket. Useful if you have a home server you can access over the Internet but are going somewhere that doesn't have reliable Internet access. Otherwise, it is (to me) mostly an amusing exercise. Other people might have more practical uses. It's also probably not a good idea to bring onto an airplane. I'm sure gate security would be asking a lot of questions.

@TiddlyTweeter

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Aug 28, 2017, 1:23:44 PM8/28/17
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Ciao Riz

Glad you popped up. Your excellent experiment on "hashtag2tag" I just recently tamed, with help of Mark S. into a fine finished product. The discussion is here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/4hE3-KUOqkY/rcOYhvX9BAAJ

and here

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/LqWPv8xzsho

On the way to the solution Mark S. modified core code that benefits everyone.

Let me know if you want the code of the finished thing.

Hope you are well
Best wishes
Josiah

Riz

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Aug 28, 2017, 2:02:28 PM8/28/17
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Thanks, I ll check it out and update.
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