Paid Theme Design?

[taale...@gmail.com]

Would anyone be up for designing a TiddlyWiki theme, that:

1) I would pay for your time

2) Would be free to the community once done

If _anyone_ is interested, I will share my needs. But historically, it's been a big no-go.

Thanks,
Aidan

[TW Tones]

There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you requiring from this new theme?

In the pre-release there is a way to change layouts if you have more than one, ie the structure, but otherwise themes usually consist of colour pallets and css tweaking of existing elements.

There is a reasonable chance this can be accomplished by the community helping you.

Tones

[Aidan Grey]

>> There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you requiring from this new theme?

My  experience historically has been not so great - I think this is the third time? I've done what I can on my own, but I also  gave up on a lot of ideas, as just way outside my expertise. 

I guess I have two main ideas, both build off of / reflect things that others have asked for or suggested. I thought that maybe supporting someone's time money wise might be appreciated. At any rate, here's what I'm looking for:

1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).

2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but.... made me pine for one of my original thoughts again - the manuscript!

* a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page" as needed depending on browser width

* the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with some other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!)

* "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"

* editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal

* There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:

IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons (New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as static "pages" but still have fairly easy navigation (an idea would be to have temporary additional "bookmarks/tags" on the sides of the "book" for quick navigation to other "open"  tiddlers)

IDEA 2: put new/save/home buttons on the object on the table (click on the inkwell to create a new page/tiddler, quill to save, etc) and keep the bookmark super simple, possibly with links to "home" pages or fave tiddlers

* Clicking on bookmark takes you to "front page" - that has the main tool tabs (Search / Open / Recent / Tools / etc.) and the TOC

* Layout on front page with bookmark would be, from right to left (or left to right?), <whole "page"> with TOC, <bookmark> on top layer of right page with buttons as normal at top, and buttons for the various "tabs" in normal layouts, and then the rest of the right page  <exposed> "behind" the bookmark, which would show all the other details - the tools list and buttons, the open tiddlers, and so on.

I know I'm going overboard with the aesthetic functionality here, but... I do have reasons, it doesn't hurt to list off all the hopes, no matter what, and I think it would make for an awesome website

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[Aidan Grey]

See? Crickets :)

I know it sounds like a lot, which is why I am willing to pay for someone's help

[Mark S.]

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 10:25:56 AM UTC-8 wrote:

See? Crickets :)

Well, to be fair, you only posted details 4 days ago, and in the West, it's only 2 days from Christmas. People not locked down by Covid may be travelling, and people that are locked down are probably dealing with a lot of disruption.

 

1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).

That sounds doable. I'm surprised someone hasn't already done it. I think only a human will be able to see whether the uncommon bits are visible. I guess the display could show examples of most of the usages, so they could be tweaked on the spot before applying. Maybe someone will pop up with "that's already been done!"

2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but.... made me pine for one of my original thoughts again - the manuscript!

* a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page" as needed depending on browser width

If it was me, I'd be tempted to lift Saq/Gifford's code from Stroll, since that's the main place I've seen double panels before.

 

* the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with some other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!)

BTW, there was a project to make a complete book out of TW. I don't think it had two pages, and I don't think the code was released.

 

* "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"

* editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal

* There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:

IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons (New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as static "pages" but still have fairly easy navigation (an idea would be to have temporary additional "bookmarks/tags" on the sides of the "book" for quick navigation to other "open"  tiddlers)

IDEA 2: put new/save/home buttons on the object on the table (click on the inkwell to create a new page/tiddler, quill to save, etc) and keep the bookmark super simple, possibly with links to "home" pages or fave tiddlers

Putting a bookmark in the sidebar for idea #2 sounds doable. Or were you thinking of getting rid of the sidebar? Like a complete re-arrangement of elements?

Hopefully this conversation will turn up some more interest.

[TW Tones]

On reviewing your requirements, a little more clarity and perhaps a mock up would help.

Rather than start altering the layout perhaps you can create a tiddler for viewing other tiddlers that contain the text. You can then use fluid story fixed sidebar, with the sidebar closed to see a wide tiddler that contains your two page layout, you custom background and various icons. Once complete it could be redesigned as a new layout if necessary but to me a view tiddler is better because then your "reader" could be used in any tiddler and wiki.

Tones

[Aidan Grey]

Hello again!

Well, to be fair, you only posted details 4 days ago, and in the West, it's only 2 days from Christmas. People not locked down by Covid may be travelling, and people that are locked down are probably dealing with a lot of disruption.

True that - I had forgotten about the potential impact of the holidays. That said, it's not been all that different from past experience, with the exception of MORE engagement! So, thanks to you for the comments and getting more involvement :)

 

1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).
That sounds doable. I'm surprised someone hasn't already done it. I think only a human will be able to see whether the uncommon bits are visible. I guess the display could show examples of most of the usages, so they could be tweaked on the spot before applying. Maybe someone will pop up with "that's already been done!"

Not done, that I know of, but it has been requested by others. I think it would make a huge difference in terms of theme development, at least from the color side. 

2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but.... made me pine for one of my original thoughts again - the manuscript!

* a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page" as needed depending on browser width

* the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with some other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!) 

* "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"

* editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal

* There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:

IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons (New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as static "pages" but still have fairly easy navigation (an idea would be to have temporary additional "bookmarks/tags" on the sides of the "book" for quick navigation to other "open"  tiddlers)

IDEA 2: put new/save/home buttons on the object on the table (click on the inkwell to create a new page/tiddler, quill to save, etc) and keep the bookmark super simple, possibly with links to "home" pages or fave tiddlers

Putting a bookmark in the sidebar for idea #2 sounds doable. Or were you thinking of getting rid of the sidebar? Like a complete re-arrangement of elements?

The latter - rearrange the elements altogether. Sidebar components would be moved to the right page of the book, to the bookmark, or to the "tabs"...

Tones has requested a mock up, and I think that's a great idea.... working on it

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[Aidan Grey]

Rather than start altering the layout perhaps you can create a tiddler for viewing other tiddlers that contain the text. You can then use fluid story fixed sidebar, with the sidebar closed to see a wide tiddler that contains your two page layout, you custom background and various icons. Once complete it could be redesigned as a new layout if necessary but to me a view tiddler is better because then your "reader" could be used in any tiddler and wiki.  

A mockup is a great idea! I'll get drawing or something...

And a "view tiddler": if it provides me with the  view I am asking for, then I'd be happy as a clam. Can you edit a tiddler directly though the view tiddler, or is it just a transclusion?

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