Missing fields in newly created tiddlers

[Ton Gerner]

Hi all,

Today, in one of my TWs I couldn't find recenlty made tiddlers: they didn't show up under the Recent tab!
Upon inspection a newly created tiddler had only 2 fields: `tags` and `title` while earlier created tiddlers today showed the normal expected fields:

created     20170516100611033
creator     TonGerner
modified    20170516100733306
modifier    TonGerner
tags        field list
title       Custom list type fields

For sure I have been fiddling around; I did some experimenting with the Edit widget and got at a certain moment a RSOD, but got rid of the offending tiddler.

I tried the following:

1) Start the TW in safe mode
2) Opened the TW in different browsers and TiddlyDesktop
3) Imported all tiddlers (4447 in total) in an empty TW
3A) Inspected in TW of 3) the 9 remaining overridden shadow tiddlers and deleted 6 of them (only $:/DefaultTiddlers, $:/temp/advancedsearch and$:/temp/search left)

All to no avail.

OS: Linux Mint v17.3
Browser(s): Firefox v53, Chrome v58, Opera v45

At the moment I am out of ideas, so any help is appreciated.

Cheers,

Ton

[PMario]

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:25:01 PM UTC+2, Ton Gerner wrote:

For sure I have been fiddling around; I did some experimenting with the Edit widget and got at a certain moment a RSOD, but got rid of the offending tiddler.

RSOD may have been a problem, that the .addTiddler() function didn't finish its work. ... Which can result in a tiddler without "created" and/or "modified" fields. Which in turn are responsible for tiddlers to show up in the "recent" tab.

-m

[Mat]

At the moment I am out of ideas, so any help is appreciated.

What is it you want to achieve? -
Get the original dates back? (no idea)
Get any (new) dates added? (should be doable, but I'm guessing you know this)
Understand what caused it?
Etc...

<:-)

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mat,

The only thing I want is getting 'normal' behavior back when creating a new tiddler. Which means the following fields (as shown via the Info button):

created      20170517083653453
creator      TonGerner
modified     20170517083656797
modifier     TonGerner
tags    
title        New Tiddler

But what I get is only the following:

tags    
title        New Tiddler

So created, creator, modified and modifier fields are missing.
I thought Safe mode or importing all tiddlers in an empty TW would solve the issue.
I suspect there is a "weird" tiddler which I can't find.
"Selective" importing might be the way to go but there are more than 4000 tiddlerc ;-)

So, if someone has a better idea ...

Cheers,

Ton

[Danielo Rodríguez]

How are you creating your new tiddlers?

If you are using some custom way, maybe such custom way is not calling the wiki.addTiddler method properly

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

How are you creating your new tiddlers?

If you are using some custom way, maybe such custom way is not calling the wiki.addTiddler method properly

Just the standard way: the new tiddler button (+).
To exclude any customizations, I started in safe mode and deleted remaining overridden shadow tiddlers (except $:/DefaultTiddlers, $:/temp/advancedsearch and$:/temp/search).

Cheers,

Ton

[Mat]

Could you batch tag'n-drag all your non-system tiddlers with "FooBar" ainto a fresh empty TW?

I think I recall that someone made a tool for batch tagging.

<:-)

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Ton

Are you on TW 5.1.14? We have a new feature here:

“Added new page control button to temporarily suspend timestamps”
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Release%205.1.14

It seems to me, that when I press that new button in the Tools tab (stopwatch icon) on tiddlywiki.com I get the behavior you describe.

To press it (again?) might solve your problem …

Good luck,
Thomas

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Thomas,

Thank you. Your guess was spot on!
I remember I read about the new functionality, but can't remember I touched that button (for sure I must have done that).
Luckily my TW was in Dropbox so there were backups and it was no problem to get the 'normal' situation back.

After that I stripped down the TW I thought it was corrupt; just curious why it happened.
I deleted plugins, normal tiddlers, overridden shadow tiddlers, added system tiddlers, state tiddlers, ...) but the behavior stayed the same. Only after I deleted configuration tiddlers I got the 'normal' behavior back but I didn't notice $:/config/TimestampDisable as 'suspicious' while that is the culprit.

Anyhow it is a 'dangerous' button since there is no feedback about the state. In my toolbar I color such toggle buttons when the state changes from normal to activated (see e.g. http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/).

The good news is that all the RSODs I got with this TW (I think it is my oldest TW, started in the alpha phase of TW around september 2013) never could corrupt the TW in the real sense.

Thanks again, I will not forget this anymore!

Cheers,

Ton

[Thomas Elmiger]

The icon has two different states
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FButtons%2Ftimestamp

(tap to see the difderence)

If the difference is not visible enough it’s my fault :–/

All the best!
Thomas

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Thomas,

Mea culpa. I didn't notice.

Cheers,

Ton