CleanTids

[David Gifford]

Hi all

My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final product, CleanTids.

https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html

Play and enjoy...

[dieg...@gmail.com]

David,

This is lovely. I think it could even be one of the included themes in TW!

I would only add that for me, Danielo's "double-click-to-edit" plugin (which I have personally edited to make it triple-click-to-edit, as I kept accidentally double-clicking) would be a great addition to  this CleanTid edition/theme/view.

Thank you!

[David Gifford]

Thanks Diego!

Yes, that might be the best way to do the frames, titles and width between tiddlers, as a theme.

This is a feature, not an edition or adaptation. So I would prefer not to bundle it with other plugins, but let people add it to whatever plugin mix they prefer. However, you are correct that the doubleclick to edit would work especially well with tiddlers that have no titlebar. I will add a note in case others might find it helpful to add to it...

Blessings,

David Gifford

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[strikke...@gmail.com]

David,

Now, it is not only nice to use, it is also a great resource for a  lot of the questions seen earlier in this group, how to do things like that. Now everyone can see, how you did it.

We all have our favourite add-ons, they are easy to add. This was a minimalistic approach. For me it is a keeper.

Birthe

[PMario]

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 6:29:37 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:

Hi all

Hi,

 

My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final product, CleanTids.

https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html

Play and enjoy...

That's a very interesting approach. - Well done!

I think, there would be even more flexibility, if you would use titles in a slightly different way. eg:

title: philosophy-what-ever

! Philosophy

Tiddlers are supposedy short snippets of text linked by hyperlinks. So I think they should look small and minimal - more like tweets, less like word processor documents.

This would allow you to transclude the text _and_ the heading. eg:

title: xx-tiddler

{{ philosophy-what-ever }}  

The same would be true if you would transclude tiddlers with the $list-widget. You can show "caption" and "subtitle" instead of the title.

Just some ideas

-mario

[dieg...@gmail.com]

Now that I have thought about this more, I like it even more!

It feels more natural, like editing a wikipedia page. When you edit a wikipedia page you click "edit" on a "sub section" (tiddler) and then edit it. Just like this!

With this approach, tiddlers almost disappear. The river (or of sequence of tiddlers) now becomes most important/visible!

Im just excitedly thinking outloud here, and in no way suggesting you must or should the following David. Just want to add my thoughts here while I have them! 

I would add the following:

• keep a white background between tiddlers (so as to make the difference between tiddlers even more invisible)
  
• Triple-click-to-edit a tiddler
  
• triple clicking on the river between tiddlers (or at the end, beginning, etc) places you into edit more for a new tiddler, whose title you can set (or not - maybe randomly generated). This tiddler remains there where you clicked in the river.
  
• You can then save the river, as a "document"!
  

Its wonderful!! Thank you David! This has me reconceptualizing my TW all over again!

[David Gifford]

Thanks Mario

Yes, I was thinking that if I need the title visible when viewing or transcluding, I could just repeat it as a header. Or just use date time stamps for the title, and add the actual title as a header, as you say.

Another thing I thought of today was having two levels of tiddlers:

1. Topics, tagged with larger domains.

2. Notes, with backlinks to the topics.

Open a topic tiddler, toggle the transclusions of backlinks, and voila, you have a printable or exportable list of notes on that topic.

Blessings,

David Gifford

Mexico team leader, Mexico City

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[David Gifford]

Wow, got you thinking, now, didn't I, Diego?

If you like the white background between tiddlers (I personally like them visually distinct), try the Blanca palette (I designed that and named it after my wife), and tweak it (it really needs updating a few of the colors and styles). It is white and has faint outlines around the tiddlers.

Not sure how to do triple click editing. I did add the 2click2edit. Maybe that is a setting. It was nice for this veteran of TW classic to go back to doubleclicking.

I am not sure I understood the part about triple clicking in the river to create a new tiddler, or how that would happen. One idea I had was to have a tiddler with "Open all tagged" and "Open all backlinked" to click a tag or link, and open them all, and export the river as static, or print it. Of course, for links, there is already the method of toggling "Transclude tids w/ backlinks" and export or print from that.

Blessings,

David Gifford

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[TiddlyTweeter]

David Gifford wrote:

My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final product, CleanTids.

https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html

THAT is a GREAT piece of re-design! 

And shows you do not need to be buried in JavaScript to really innovate. 

It is a KEEPER.

Best wishes

TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

David Gifford wrote:

My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final product, CleanTids.

https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html

IF I could have my special wish :-) it would be a TOGGLE for "Hiding the Sidebar" too :-). 

Best wishes

TT

[Jean-Philippe Rutault]

Tried and adopted. Best way to takes note quickly.

Thanks!

[ludwa6]

Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature works.  Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special tiddlers in a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up -certainly not the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing the "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So what am i missing, i wonder?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of course some backlinks to show.

[ludwa6]

Thanks @Birthe, but that's what i'm doing (if i understand you right) and it's not working.  On this new TiddlyHost site i set up for testing purposes, the default (show on startup) tiddler has a backlink, as you can see under the "Info" tab... But they don't show anywhere by default, and if you click on the "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab in sidebar, nothing happens.  I still don't get it!  

/walt

[David Gifford]

Hahahaha Hide the entire sidebar??? You ask for too much! Imagine, a button to toggle the sidebar... :-)

David Gifford

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[David Gifford]

ludwa / Walt

I was having the same problem yesterday when I downloaded an empty Stroll and transferred the CleanTids and ToggleTab. I thought I may have done something wrong. I just tried transferring the tiddlers to a tiddlywiki.com/empty.html file, and it doesn't work there either. So how come it works in the cleantids file??? I will to investigate and report.

Also, I had to adjust numerous tiddlers to make CleanTids work with Stroll. For example, I saw double titlebars.

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[David Gifford]

FIXED!

I forgot to list $:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate2 which the backlinks tiddler is dependent upon. Go to CleanTids and grab it from the now updated Get it! tiddler.

[David Gifford]

Thanks for the encouragement, rutau...!

[strikke...@gmail.com]

@ludwa6,

Transclude tids  w/backlinks works...but not backlinks. It gets stranger and stranger.

Birthe

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Thanks Dave. So that was it. Always something.

Birthe

[ludwa6]

Awesome, @Dave -thanks again!   /walt

[David Gifford]

Additional notes:

1. Cleantids is in fact compatible with Stroll, but only if you use the default TiddlyWiki title setting for Stroll (gear tab). Also helps to use the 'hidden' option of the Stroll references view, to hide the <hr>.

2. I am waiting on a fix in another thread to get this compatible with darker themes.

3. In Stroll, see what happens when you fold a tiddler, then hide the other elements...

4. Try this out with the seamless theme. While the space between tiddlers is too tall, it will still rock your world...

5. Possible next steps:

a) Create a separate stylesheet where the space between the tiddlers is 0, and create toggle buttons to switch between the two. This would make seamless view look like an article!

b) Toggle available themes and available palettes. If someone wants to create this as a dropdown list for me, all the better. But I *might* be able to do this as buttons.

On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

[David Gifford]

Oh boy! Something new to try. Shout out to Diego for the idea.

1. Go to https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html

2. Click 'Hide / reveal margins'

3. If you like it, and already have the other tiddlers, the only tiddler you need is $:/.giffmex/Stylesheet/CleanTidsNoMargin

[Ste]

That's looking really good! 

[TiddlyTweeter]

David, this is seriously good use of CSS in TW.

Give a thought to WIDTH, maybe?

Some of the lines are over 150 characters each.

A CENTERED STREAM of about 80 characters wide  might hum even better?

Best wishes

TT

[Mohammad Rahmani]

I would recommend the Notebook theme from Nico!

Best wishes

TT

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[Mohammad Rahmani]

Dave,

 Few comments, ignore if not relevant

1. a shortcut to hide/show the toggle tab itself
2. a Content tab, a tiddler gets contents will be appeared automatically there
3. a day/night template switch button also would be great

Small issue

- click on Site Subtitle hide/show the site title also

Best wishes

Mohammad

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:59 PM David Gifford <dgif...@crcna.org> wrote:

Hi all

My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final product, CleanTids.

https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html

Play and enjoy...

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[David Gifford]

Hi Mohammad, I will look at these and others' suggestions after I get out of class. But I was hoping you could rephrase your #2 suggestion,  about the content tiddler, I don't understand it.

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Dave

By #2 suggestion I mean to add aTable of Contents (e.g. "Contents") tab with a root tag of "Contents"

Then every tiddler gets the "Contents" tag which will appear under the Contents tab.

Best wishes

Mohammad

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[David Gifford]

CleanTids update in response to your comments!

Features

1. (yesterday) Toggle 'gaps btwn tids' - formerly labeled as toggle margin width. This is a game changer. Seamless transition from one tiddler to the next. Makes your story river look like an article. Great for printing or exporting story river. Also improves TiddlyWiki's seamless theme. I noticed it doesn't work right on the Notebook theme, as the gaps remain.

2. Added the fixed / fluid sidebar toggle

3. Added links to the palette, theme and story view managers. Why reinvent the wheel? I also added to my file the default palettes and themes from tiddlywiki.com, and number of palettes and a theme or two from the TiddlyWiki toolmap. So you can try them out and drag them to your file.

4. Double click to edit tiddler plugin. The plugin is available since yesterday.

(Let me make it clear, this file is not meant to be like Stroll, where you download the entire adaptation and use it. This file is a homepage to get the Toggle tab and related CleanTids stylesheet. Ideally someone could bundle my list of seven system tiddlers as a plugin for me since I am not a plugin kind of guy.)

Fixes

1. Now compatible with dark palettes, thanks to help from Eric Shulman.

2. I fixed the SiteSubtitle button. Thanks to Mohammad for pointing it out!

3. (last night) Fixed the backlinks not working

Requests :

1.  Notebook theme: since my file is not an edition or adaptation, just a proto-plugin, theme is irrelevant. But I DID add heaps of palettes and the themes I could find, in part to allow users to test my CleanTids out on different themes and palettes before downloading, and in part to make it easy to grab the themes and palettes they like. And Notebook is one of those themes.

2. Theme and palette toggles: I decided it made more sense to link to the native ones already available.

3. Sidebar width: see the fluid / fixed chooser.

4. White background: just use the seamless theme in conjunction with CleanTids. Looks great.

5. Triple click: why triple instead of double?

6. Triple click between tiddlers to create a new tiddler - ? There is a new tiddler button in the sidebar...

7. Toggle the toggle tab: you realize that would only work once, right? Also, with a feature this cool, why would anyone ever want to hide it? :-)

8. Contents tab: I wasn't sure what Mohammad meant by this. It almost sounded as if he wanted something like the parallel tab in my pre-Stroll experiment, TiddlyBlink (https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html).

9. PMario on titles: I think he just meant when writing a tiddler, to add the title as a header to the text, so that the title is redundant. But if he meant an actual change to CleanTids, it wasn't clear to me.

[David Gifford]

Ah, thanks Mohammad.

Since this is not an edition or adaptation, just a loose version of what should become a plugin, adding a table of contents would just be confusing, as if I expected others to download and use this file, rather than drag the CleanTids tiddlers into their file to use them. I would rather in this case that people integrate the toggle and narrow CSS to their own system, rather than come up with an entire system for them, as I did with Stroll.

Blessings, Dave

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Wonderful! 

Thank you David!

Best wishes

Mohammad

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[dieg...@gmail.com]

David,

Ill clarify my suggestions:

5. Triple click: why triple instead of double?

• I personally edited the doubeclick plugin to make it triple click since I personally kept accidentally double-clicking. This was not really a suggestion for you, just saying out loud in case others might find that suggestion useful.
  

6. Triple click between tiddlers to create a new tiddler - ? There is a new tiddler button in the sidebar...

• This idea was meant to keep up the "article" illusion. For example, if I want to add a tiddler under the "Advantages" "section" (tiddler titled Advantages, it would be awesome if I could just click near right there to place a new tiddler right there.
  
• If I click the new tiddler button on the sidebar, it appears at the top of the river, without any obvious way to reorganize it to where I need it. I know you can always reorganize the river many ways -  for example, via the "open" sidebar tab, etc. But this ruins the illusion of the tiddlers just flowing together like a fluid document.
  

[David Gifford]

Ah, now I understand, Diego! Thanks for the clarification!

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