Celebrating Diversity

[TonyM]

Hey all,

I love the Diversity in our community. If you are comfortable let us know a little more about yourself.,

I will start.

• I am an Australian Living in Sydney, Born to Australian parents I am a 5th Generation (Non Indigenous Australian) who carries a Swiss italian surname. 
• Mostly Various peoples from the UK are in my family tree.
• Australia is close to Asia so we have a lot of asian and south east asian friends, and any asian restaurant to choose from, amongst other nationalities from all over the world.
• I Grew up in Australia, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand. With my High school in Country NSW (My State).
• I have traveled to 20+ Countries and have met people from 50+ countries. I love diversity and learning from others.
• I speak a little french because my partner is a parisien living in Australia for more than 30 years.

Why should we Celebrating Diversity?

• Because its fun
• Diversity is healthy
• Who know the connections we may discover when sharing
• Building tolerance is an antidote to partisanship. 
• We are a diverse community

Regards

Tony

[A Gloom]

Why should we Celebrating Diversity

• Because it makes common sense
• Diversity is healthy because of less injuries from fighting those that are not like you-- you'll be fighting forevermore
• Building tolerance is an antidote to conflict-- imagine what more could be accomplished if everyone worked together rather than against each other.
  

[Aidan Grey]

I'll bite. Some facts about me:

* American, born in California, grew up in Colorado

* gay and married (11 years this dec)

* Have Aspergers

* animist, sorcerer for hire

* speak and or read many languages, including Mandarin, French, Latin, Irish, and Welsh

* i make languages for fun too 

* born premature because a black widow but mother, who went into shock then labor - alas, it wasn't radioactive. I still have a HUGE thing for spiders though

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[TonyM]

Inspired by the responses so far

I will add I love science, I am a critical thinker (AKA modern skeptic) not a cynic and a lay philosopher. I care deeply about the environment and hope we can act more and soon. 

I have always embraced diversity of all kinds racial, disability, identity and consider myself a male feminist.  However I accept others may not be so open to such things as me and I respect peoples alternative views, if they do not hurt others. I would prefer to discuss difficult differences, than have us ignore each other. Did you know the root of the word "ignore" is to choose not to know. Ignorance is not innocence, it is "deliberately not knowing."  

It is critical in today's world that we realise our differences are far smaller than our similarities. That it is ok to have different views and maintain an open mind because its only fools who do not change their mind. I refuse to let commercial ventures like Facebook dictate the way we relate to each other and I look to my own and others cultures, ancient and new for examples of how to live and love life. 

Tiddlywiki is a passion of mine, in part because it can help us think, an extension of our brains, but we should avoid expanding our brains in only one direction, so in this thread or further a field I look elsewhere for inspiration.

I know we have a number of people here with various physical differences. As someone myself with more than the average number of legs and arms *1.

I know we need to understand each others differences lest we accidentally exclude people who may have a lot to tell us. It is only with information from many different perspectives can we ever come close to the whole picture.

*1. The Average number of legs/arms is less than two, since there are many people with one or no, arms/legs and very few with three or more arms/legs.

Regards

Tony

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 1:15:09 PM UTC+11, Aidan Grey wrote:

I'll bite. Some facts about me:

* American, born in California, grew up in Colorado

* gay and married (11 years this dec)

* Have Aspergers

* animist, sorcerer for hire

* speak and or read many languages, including Mandarin, French, Latin, Irish, and Welsh

* i make languages for fun too 

* born premature because a black widow but mother, who went into shock then labor - alas, it wasn't radioactive. I still have a HUGE thing for spiders though

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 7:39 PM A Gloom, <barro...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why should we Celebrating Diversity

• Because it makes common sense
• Diversity is healthy because of less injuries from fighting those that are not like you-- you'll be fighting forevermore
• Building tolerance is an antidote to conflict-- imagine what more could be accomplished if everyone worked together rather than against each other.
  

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Aiden

Aidan Grey wrote ...

* speak and or read many languages ... Welsh

 Waw! Sut daethoch chi i ddysgu Cymraeg?

Mae'n iaith hardd.

Best wishes

TT

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:

•  Grew up in Australia, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand...

VERY interesting!  PNG fascinates me as an anthroplogist. The sheer diversity of indigenous cultures & languages. The "Big Man" tribal cultures.

On a more computing note, the incredible variations on once traditional systems of counting that includes base-27. https://www.computationalthinkers.com/12-mind-blowing-number-systems-languages/

TT

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I'm not gonna do a full bio. I'll stick to intellectual biography related to TW.

My interest in TW arises from a long history in ethnography (that is when anthropologists do "fieldwork").

I have worked both in research and in applied development.

A major problem ethnographers face is that in non-Western cultures is that concepts differ. 

For instance phrases like "my brother is part of that yam." What on earth does that mean?

In order to properly understand it you need to faithfully record when "yam" is mentioned over time. 

So you can go back and reflect & analyse it in the context of usage.

Over years I worked with dozens of types of specialist software (they used to be called "Text bases") that are supposed to make it easier.

Many are good at recording data. FEW are decent at EXTRACTING PATTERN.

TW is interesting for its flexibility in approaching this issue quite well. It has a very good openness for textual analysis 

(but still quite weak on easy deep analysis of the text field).

At the same time I'm very occupied with the "Problem Of Modernity". 

Meaning, HOW in the past did we come to scale up into such extreme abstraction as computing? (Industrial revolution opened door.)

Its actually a very difficult social science issue to explain how and why "modernity" emerged.

Its a side-point but matters quite a lot to understanding tech in social context.

So, on one hand I appreciate tech. On other hand I remain sceptical it is not itself destroying diversity

by homogeneity (by which I mean a lot software is still very bad at "relevant fuzzy", which is usually the human meaning).

Thoughts

TT

[TonyM]

TT

Very interesting base 27. As stated I am very interested in critical thinking and skepticism. That is behind why I share a similar attitude to computing as do you despite it being my career. In fact a strong interest in artificial intelligence, philosophy and my skepticism means I get quite annoyed with the claims of artificial intelligence that proliferate at present. Really its only machine learning, ok that is a little oversimplistic. Don't get me wrong, we are moving ahead, but there is a lot of hype, and some fundamental misunderstandings.

I have also seen a failure to move software and languages forward, in part due to the complexity of natural languages and a lack of rigor in the way people think.

Its great to have such diverse life experience in this group. Perhaps forged by curiosity and the luck of stumbling on to tiddlywiki.

Regards
Tony

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:

Very interesting base 27.

I think it is. 

Bio-bit: when I went to school I was part of a social experiment in UK on what was called "Modern Maths". It died. And I still can't do long division in my mind as they overlooked it. But you were taught young how to count in any base.

Consequently I can think in bases easily, and topology is a doddle for me.

I often thought about trying to create a wiki concerned with variant cultural counting systems. 

My issue is I can't easily find a way to convert my knowledge so you could have, say, a "base-17" calculator in TW. 

I think it could be interesting!

Best wishes

TT

[David Gifford]

I almost decided not to post. I am a white, male, heterosexual Christian minister from the United States. Some may wrongly assume from that statement that I am not a big fan of diversity. Others may sadly decide their tolerance and love of diversity do not extend to people like me. Which is curious because Jesus was teaching diversity and reconciliation long before it was cool. But I get it and am okay with that.

I am a teacher in a seminary in Mexico City (mostly teach New Testament, but also have taught exegesis and introduction to philosophy). I am married to a Honduran woman, and we have two adult kids. I am an avid reader who, beyond the two vast topics just mentioned, also enjoys books on productivity, other self-help books, and the history of ideas and inventions. I was briefly a comic book artist just out of high school. Previously a missionary in Ecuador for 5 years. I would love to travel, but lack of money keeps me from doing too much anymore. Not a big fan of politics, and am tired of hearing about all the fighting. I have been happily getting along with people very different from me all my life, with people whom I disagree with on fundamental levels, so it is hard for me to see why others have to make it so difficult.

I love TiddlyWiki because it helps me organize my thoughts and see them in new ways, and it gives me a way to publish free mini html databases on various topics in Spanish. I am not an original thinker so much as someone who likes to collect and organize helpful ideas and share them with others.

I discovered TiddlyWiki when I was investigating Moodle for online courses. People using Moodle were talking about TW integration a lot at that moment. After my learning curve with TiddlyWiki classic I wrote a tutorial TiddlyWiki for the Rest of Us [1], a showcase of TiddlyWikis in the wild [2] and a list of plugins called TiddlyVault [3]. I had hoped TW would get discovered and loved and used in the mainstream. But years ago, when browsers changed and forced TiddlyWiki "5" to come up with convoluted ways to save changes, I realized that would never happen. Onboarding had already been hard enough.

Early 2018, I think, is when I decided to do a version of TiddlyVault for TW5. It started out just for me, but snowballed, and is now the TiddlyWiki Toolmap [4].

Now here I am still wanting to know how a brother can be part of a yam. I need closure!

[1] http://www.giffmex.org/twfortherestofus.html

[2] http://giffmex.tiddlyspot.com/

[3] http://tiddlyvault.tiddlyspot.com/

[4] https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM

[Mark S.]

I'm sure I've written a base-anything routine at some time in my life.

Now that TW has some math tools, I imagine it should be possible to write a macro that handles up to base 36. The limit being the number of symbols you have to work with.

I'm thinking 26 letters plus ten digits. But of course if you allowed mixed case or non-latin characters, you could extend that.

Except for base 16, I can't imagine it would get much use though.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Thanks Mark S. ...

 

Except for base 16, I can't imagine it would get much use though.

RIGHT.  Used, not. Info, yes. 

Its partly about being able to document what IS NOT used by everyone else.

That is largely my interest in it. 

TT

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I have NO problem you are normal.

TT, xxx

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 5:26 PM David Gifford <dgif...@crcna.org> wrote:

I almost decided not to post. I am a white, male, heterosexual Christian minister from the United States. Some may wrongly assume from that statement that I am not a big fan of diversity. Others may sadly decide their tolerance and love of diversity do not extend to people like me. Which is curious because Jesus was teaching diversity and reconciliation long before it was cool. But I get it and am okay with that.

I am a teacher in a seminary in Mexico City (mostly teach New Testament, but also have taught exegesis and introduction to philosophy). I am married to a Honduran woman, and we have two adult kids. I am an avid reader who, beyond the two vast topics just mentioned, also enjoys books on productivity, other self-help books, and the history of ideas and inventions. I was briefly a comic book artist just out of high school. Previously a missionary in Ecuador for 5 years. I would love to travel, but lack of money keeps me from doing too much anymore. Not a big fan of politics, and am tired of hearing about all the fighting. I have been happily getting along with people very different from me all my life, with people whom I disagree with on fundamental levels, so it is hard for me to see why others have to make it so difficult.

I love TiddlyWiki because it helps me organize my thoughts and see them in new ways, and it gives me a way to publish free mini html databases on various topics in Spanish. I am not an original thinker so much as someone who likes to collect and organize helpful ideas and share them with others.

I discovered TiddlyWiki when I was investigating Moodle for online courses. People using Moodle were talking about TW integration a lot at that moment. After my learning curve with TiddlyWiki classic I wrote a tutorial TiddlyWiki for the Rest of Us [1], a showcase of TiddlyWikis in the wild [2] and a list of plugins called TiddlyVault [3]. I had hoped TW would get discovered and loved and used in the mainstream. But years ago, when browsers changed and forced TiddlyWiki "5" to come up with convoluted ways to save changes, I realized that would never happen.

Hi David,

Why do you think so? One the this I am sure can get attention is Tiddlyshow. If I head time and team, I would absolutely make money from it.

Tiddlywiki is weak in some areas but very storing in some other areas.

Mohammad

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[David Gifford]

Hi Mohammad

I will try to write you directly rather than derail the thread.

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[Mohammad Rahmani]

Ok David

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[Aidan Grey]

Ciao TT!

Ysgoliais yn brifysgol Harvard, a dyhaeddais fy ngradd athro (MA) in ieithoedd geltaidd. Dw i'n siarad Cymraeg, ond dim yn dda iawn...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Aiden

Harvard. Ha! Rwy'n siŵr y byddech chi wedi bod yn dda!

Bywyd diddorol iawn!

Es i Ysgol Economeg Llundain.

Rydyn ni'n dau yn bobl glyfar.

Dymuniadau gorau

Josiah

[TonyM]

David

Thanks for sharing. I suppose my original thought was to share those diverse facts. Where you live your wife and passions. I suppose its inevitable that differences will appear in our diverse community that on the surface appear to be opposites. I for one am an atheist. However I know we share an interest and a passion and I respect and appreciate your contributions. When it comes to some difference, barriers will exist as long as we maintain those barriers.

By sharing a passion for tiddlywiki we have time with others we may otherwise avoid, and can come to appreciate what we have in common, which is always greater than what separates us.

unless we celebrate this diversity we are somewhat anonymous.

Regards
Tony

[David Gifford]

Thanks Tony, all very true.

[Mark S.]

Through base 29.

\define yobazic(num,base,result:"")
<$list filter="[<__num__>remainder<__base__>add[1]]" variable=remidx>
<$list filter="[<__num__>divide<__base__>trunc[]]" variable=num>
<$list filter="[enlist<syms>nth<remidx>addsuffix<__result__>]" variable="result">
<$list filter="[<num>!regexp[^0$]]" emptyMessage=<<result>>>
 <$macrocall $name=yobazic num=<<num>> base="$base$" result=<<result>>/>
</$list></$list></$list></$list>
\end
\define basewhatever(num,base)
<$vars
syms="0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v x y z ä ß ĉ "
>
<<yobazic $num$ $base$>>
</$vars>
\end

<<basewhatever 1025 16>>

[TonyM]

I suggest a new number base thread.

I would like a base 36, or base 62 basically units, upper and lowercase. These are easy to read and in more compressed than base 10.

I would especially like to be able to add 1, increment it and have multiple digits. This would make a nice unique tiddler serial number. This would minimise the bytes required.

Regards
Tony

[A Gloom]

I suggest a new number base thread

Definitely, this is important enough to warrant its own thread so it will show up in Groups and Google web searches