Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[@TiddlyTweeter]

The metaphorical matrix of TiddlyWiki has a peculiarity.

We spend an awful lot of time re-creating "Mother" in a fitter form.

We spend very little time assessing whether Mother's Children succeeded.

I would like to think that Our Daughters were doing well, but there seems to be no posts home to be sure about that.

[PMario]

Hi,
I have absolutely no clue, what you are talking about here!?
-m

[Arlen Beiler]

To take your question literally, you are asking about forks and spinoffs of Tiddlywiki. Are there any that are active?

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

Lol.

I'm obscure, I guess.

I kinda mean that we do much work in this group helping get a TW to work (using the baseline of the standard release) ... but we RARELY see the results in completed TWs.

I do think its an issue for wider uptake. I don't think most users want to have to create a TW, they want to see completed TW in THEIR area of skill they can tweak a bit, but not have to create.

Best wishes
Josiah

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Arlen

It could include that. But I was mostly thinking about the contradiction between the "bespokeism" that we, in practice, strongly encourage, contrasted with a paucity of tangible completed TWs to look at.

Given ALL the work that is going in daily to help folk solve issues there is NO corresponding SHOWCASE of results.

Something like that.

Best wishes
Josiah 

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 21:31:52 UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote:

To take your question literally, you are asking about forks and spinoffs of Tiddlywiki. Are there any that are active?

On Jun 28, 2017 15:15, "PMario" <pmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I have absolutely no clue, what you are talking about here!?
-m

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[Greg Davis]

Hello Josiah,

Well, if you're looking for examples of Tiddlywikis. Helped a friend create a couple. They don't quite follow standard TiddlyWiki design, they grew bigger than I initially envisioned. (They also need some updating.) They were meant to be downloaded for reference off-line. They include many embedded pictures so are LARGE.

A Quick Start Guide,aimed at new users, and a Developer's Guide:

http://portable3d.tiddlyspot.com

http://portable3dev.tiddlyspot.com

Not necessarily something that someone could reuse, but is an example of what can be done.

Greg

[@TiddlyTweeter]

They work well on standard widescreens (in portrait not so good as your get bleed form the menu). Its good to see them though! The MAIN point is they do what the user needs.

I wish we got to see these everyday. Everyday they are used.

Josiah

[Greg Davis]

I think if you toggle to the menu in the right sidebar, it is useable. At least appears to be when viewed in small portrait screen in Firefox's Redponsive Design Mode.

Greg

[@TiddlyTweeter]

rather than bleed it gets cut in portrait. its not a big deal. what ratio is the USER using? That is what matters unless they want folk reading it on mobile phones.

[Greg Davis]

Thanks Josiah,

Intersting, at 320 by 480 and 360 by 640 and 768 by 1024 in "Reponsive Design Mode" it goes into TiddlyWiki's default "mobile mode" with menu over content. At least that happens on my PC.

It has been awhile since discussions on designing for mobile (phone) use. I don't remember at what screen width TiddlyWiki would automatically switch. That was the reason I kept a menu in the right sidebar.

First reponse I received with a problem. Thanks for the heads-up.

Greg

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Greg

Its likely mostly because I use a format most people never do. I have three desktop screens. One always in portrait. Its very good for bringing out the devil you never thought you had :-).

Josiah

[Mat]

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:

We spend very little time assessing whether Mother's Children succeeded.

I agree with this and it is possibly a huge problem. One problem is that we don't know if it is a huge problem. One problem we do know is that we don't have the tools for such assessment.

I guess it's part of TWs current nature; TW is typically a private matter in at least two critical senses: It typically contains private data and it is typically stored as a private file. Come to think of it, maybe NSA or KGB have loads of valuable stuff on TW offspring.

As usual, I think TWederation is a potential stepping stone to improve this. Once we start to connect our TWs it will be much easier to measure things.

<:-)

[ste...@gmail.com]

Hi,

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 2:34:46 AM UTC+2, Mat wrote:

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:

We spend very little time assessing whether Mother's Children succeeded.

I agree with this and it is possibly a huge problem. One problem is that we don't know if it is a huge problem. One problem we do know is that we don't have the tools for such assessment.

A public directory, to which people could submit their (publicly available) tiddlywikis, might help, basically an extended version of this: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Examples

PmWiki has two such directories:
http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/PmWikiUsers
http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/SuccessStories

Many people like to showcase their work and generate traffic to their sites, after all. On the other hand, maintaining such a directory would involve some work (e. g. fighting spam).

Cheers,

Stef

 

[Lost Admin]

If it makes you feel any better Josiah (can I just call you Joss?),

As a result of you all teaching me how to do things with TiddlyWiki I have 5 separate "daughter" wikis. 4 are doing quite well and 1 is still a baby. Only the baby is truely public for you to see.

1) A Wiki to help me keep track of my media collection (only available on my internal home network). I have a bunch of DVDs and Bluerays (and a few VHS tapes still). Not all have been converted and imported into my media server. The Wiki helps me keep track of which ones have been import. It also helps me save money as I can look at it on my phone when I'm at the store so I don't buy a DVD/Blueray of a movie that I've already got (I did this 3 times before I make the wiki).

2) A Wiki to help me keep track of the characters I've got in the MMORPG Dungeons and Dragons Online. That game lets me have up to 54 characters and other players can have even more (so could I if I paid some extra money). 

3) A Wiki I created to keep track of all my business information when I was an independent consultant. I was earning enough it made sense to incorporate, the wiki track all the information and timelines related to incorporating. I have since taken a full time position which brings us to ...

4) The full time job I took involves working on a bunch of project simultaneously and tracking specific items for each project. While the company does have a tool that does a pretty good job at tracking the details within each project, they don't have a good solution that meets my needs for tracking all the projects themselves (they have some good tools for project managers but that's not what I do and those tools don't fit my needs.

5) The baby. This one came into existence because someone on this list wanted people to test his (her?) new tool for putting TW5 instances on Tiddlyspot.com. I created one. This one you can see, its http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/.

As a bonus, a couple of my co-workers saw my tiddlywiki I'm using to keep track of all the things I care about at work. They liked it and asked about it. So one of the daughters has had a couple of daughters. :-)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Lost Admin

Thank you for that detailed outlay.

Truly I think better knowing what people are doing with TW and its "Children" will do masses to get it appreciated more. Both by "us"and by "them" (potential new users).

And your Bonus Point bears repeating ...

Lost Admin wrote:
As a bonus, a couple of my co-workers saw my tiddlywiki I'm using to keep track of all the things I care about at work. They liked it and asked about it. So one of the daughters has had a couple of daughters. :-)

Best wishes
Josiah

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Lost Admin

Happy to see my TW-daughter featured on your baby project :–)

And it is o.k. you call me TE – I recognized myself instantly.

Happy parenting and adopting everyone!
Thomas