TiddlyWiki toolmap in the welcome tiddler

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David Gifford

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Jun 10, 2020, 10:08:43 AM6/10/20
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I like the new top post welcoming new people.

I wonder if the toolmap should be there so people can see the wide variety of plugins that this community has developed. https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM

Ste Wilson

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Jun 10, 2020, 10:30:50 AM6/10/20
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I think that, Mohamed's, Matt's, Marios, Marks and Beer's, Yours, TT and Tony...The Book  (haven't heard from them here for a while...) though...that is getting a little cluttered (once I got started the names just kept arriving!).  Perhaps they could be the top of your list Dave to keep things more streamlined here? 

David Gifford

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Jun 10, 2020, 10:38:27 AM6/10/20
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Plugins from all of those sites are in the toolmap. So adding those other sites would be duplication somewhat.


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Mark S.

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Jun 10, 2020, 2:22:17 PM6/10/20
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Yes. If you have the toolmap, you can reach most everything else. It should be on the list, since it's more up-to-date than much of the info at TiddlyWiki.com.


On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 7:38:27 AM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote:
Plugins from all of those sites are in the toolmap. So adding those other sites would be duplication somewhat.


On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:31 AM Ste Wilson  wrote:
I think that, Mohamed's, Matt's, Marios, Marks and Beer's, Yours, TT and Tony...The Book  (haven't heard from them here for a while...) though...that is getting a little cluttered (once I got started the names just kept arriving!).  Perhaps they could be the top of your list Dave to keep things more streamlined here? 

On Wednesday, 10 June 2020 15:08:43 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
I like the new top post welcoming new people.

I wonder if the toolmap should be there so people can see the wide variety of plugins that this community has developed. https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM

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TonyM

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Jun 10, 2020, 10:23:21 PM6/10/20
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I second, or third the addition of a link to the toolmap in the welcome message.

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TonyM

TiddlyTweeter

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Jun 11, 2020, 8:00:24 AM6/11/20
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Mark S. wrote:
Yes. If you have the toolmap, you can reach most everything else. It should be on the list, since it's more up-to-date than much of the info at TiddlyWiki.com.

David Gifford wrote:
Plugins from all of those sites are in the toolmap. So adding those other sites would be duplication somewhat.

I agree.  If there is a single solid resource for plugins that is it.

What would the wording for a request to Eric be?? Just a suggestion?

Visit Tiddlywiki Toolmap resource page to find most of the TW community's plugins.

TT

Riz

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Jun 11, 2020, 8:49:24 AM6/11/20
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Why isn't the list added to the community resources part? Isn't that the first point of contact? Should we not work towards updating the community resources of tiddlywiki.com?

Birthe C

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Jun 11, 2020, 9:12:48 AM6/11/20
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Rizwan Ishak

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Jun 11, 2020, 9:16:53 AM6/11/20
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I was wondering about mirroring the information in tiddlywiki.com. As in, listing the plugins

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Mark S.

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Jun 11, 2020, 10:52:41 AM6/11/20
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That was my thought two, three years ago. But you have to use github, create the tiddlers, push the tiddlers, make a pull request and then ... worse of all ... wait while bored individuals can take potshots at your submission. Very few people are willing to go through all that. That's why the "community" section is so far behind.

With tiddlymap, David and his helpers can create an entry in seconds. If it's wrong, someone else can fix it later ... in seconds.

Also, "community" is a bit buried on TiddlyWiki.com. Unfortunately, the title author's give to things may not reflect what the plugin does, so the hit doesn't show up in the title results, but is buried with the "also ran" results. There probably needs to be a separate search for "community" and "learning" that use keywords to limit false hits.



On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:16:53 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
I was wondering about mirroring the information in tiddlywiki.com. As in, listing the plugins

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 18:43 Birthe C, wrote:

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Rizwan Ishak

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Jun 11, 2020, 11:08:21 AM6/11/20
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😁 Perils of collaboration. 

On the other hand, I find most of the GitHub discussions, especially in Tiddlywiki repo, very constructive. There are mild delays, but these days with the separation of documentation from the releaae cycle and continuous integration, things are much faster. 

I have one question though. Do every plugin author have to sign CLA for their plugin to be listed? If not, I might push the whole thing to tiddlywiki.com once my work in updating the saving methods comes to a close. The community section needs updates terribly. 


On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 20:22 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

That was my thought two, three years ago. But you have to use github, create the tiddlers, push the tiddlers, make a pull request and then ... worse of all ... wait while bored individuals can take potshots at your submission. Very few people are willing to go through all that. That's why the "community" section is so far behind.

With tiddlymap, David and his helpers can create an entry in seconds. If it's wrong, someone else can fix it later ... in seconds.

Also, "community" is a bit buried on TiddlyWiki.com. Unfortunately, the title author's give to things may not reflect what the plugin does, so the hit doesn't show up in the title results, but is buried with the "also ran" results. There probably needs to be a separate search for "community" and "learning" that use keywords to limit false hits.



On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:16:53 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
I was wondering about mirroring the information in tiddlywiki.com. As in, listing the plugins

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 18:43 Birthe C, wrote:

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TiddlyTweeter

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Jun 11, 2020, 11:38:32 AM6/11/20
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Riz wrote:
Why isn't the list added to the community resources part? Isn't that the first point of contact? 

Possibly not! 

The OP is focused on adding to GG header. Which is v. good idea. And that needs to be optimally short. Just enough and no more.

My thought was that with Gifford added & maybe TiddlyWiki on Twitter it would be complete for its purpose.

Side note
TT

TiddlyTweeter

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Jun 11, 2020, 11:54:43 AM6/11/20
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Mark S.
Also, "community" is a bit buried on TiddlyWiki.com. 

I find it confusing. Its just a list. No navigation to needs.

And rarely mentioned, and hardly used (is it still working??), is Erwanm's AGGREGATOR http://erwanm.github.io/tw-community-search/.
That system allowed people to register a resource that daily got trawled. I think the basic idea of that remains largely unexplored. Much potential.
That did not require approvals.

TT

Mark S.

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Jun 11, 2020, 12:05:15 PM6/11/20
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You sign the CLA to say that your documentation about the plugin is yours. You would only need the plugin author's CLA if you were posting the actual plugin. Or, is that what you intend? Anyway, that's how I interpret the CLA.

Keep in mind that if you reposted from the toolmap you would need to check for duplicates, of which I imagine there are dozens ... hundreds?

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 8:08:21 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
😁 Perils of collaboration. 

On the other hand, I find most of the GitHub discussions, especially in Tiddlywiki repo, very constructive. There are mild delays, but these days with the separation of documentation from the releaae cycle and continuous integration, things are much faster. 

I have one question though. Do every plugin author have to sign CLA for their plugin to be listed? If not, I might push the whole thing to tiddlywiki.com once my work in updating the saving methods comes to a close. The community section needs updates terribly. 


On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 20:22 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

That was my thought two, three years ago. But you have to use github, create the tiddlers, push the tiddlers, make a pull request and then ... worse of all ... wait while bored individuals can take potshots at your submission. Very few people are willing to go through all that. That's why the "community" section is so far behind.

With tiddlymap, David and his helpers can create an entry in seconds. If it's wrong, someone else can fix it later ... in seconds.

Also, "community" is a bit buried on TiddlyWiki.com. Unfortunately, the title author's give to things may not reflect what the plugin does, so the hit doesn't show up in the title results, but is buried with the "also ran" results. There probably needs to be a separate search for "community" and "learning" that use keywords to limit false hits.



On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:16:53 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
I was wondering about mirroring the information in tiddlywiki.com. As in, listing the plugins

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 18:43 Birthe C, wrote:

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Rizwan Ishak

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Jun 11, 2020, 12:12:39 PM6/11/20
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It won't be much of a hassle to run it through a script to weed out duplicate URLs. That won't be an issue. The problem I foresee, as you said, is proper descriptions for plugins. That would take some manual work. There I might enlist help.

After all, listing things is exactly what Tiddlywiki is good at. If we don't do it in Tiddlywiki, people would question the very validity of tiddlywiki's claim to be a note taking application.

Sincerely,
Riz

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 21:35 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
You sign the CLA to say that your documentation about the plugin is yours. You would only need the plugin author's CLA if you were posting the actual plugin. Or, is that what you intend? Anyway, that's how I interpret the CLA.

Keep in mind that if you reposted from the toolmap you would need to check for duplicates, of which I imagine there are dozens ... hundreds?

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 8:08:21 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
😁 Perils of collaboration. 

On the other hand, I find most of the GitHub discussions, especially in Tiddlywiki repo, very constructive. There are mild delays, but these days with the separation of documentation from the releaae cycle and continuous integration, things are much faster. 

I have one question though. Do every plugin author have to sign CLA for their plugin to be listed? If not, I might push the whole thing to tiddlywiki.com once my work in updating the saving methods comes to a close. The community section needs updates terribly. 


On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 20:22 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

That was my thought two, three years ago. But you have to use github, create the tiddlers, push the tiddlers, make a pull request and then ... worse of all ... wait while bored individuals can take potshots at your submission. Very few people are willing to go through all that. That's why the "community" section is so far behind.

With tiddlymap, David and his helpers can create an entry in seconds. If it's wrong, someone else can fix it later ... in seconds.

Also, "community" is a bit buried on TiddlyWiki.com. Unfortunately, the title author's give to things may not reflect what the plugin does, so the hit doesn't show up in the title results, but is buried with the "also ran" results. There probably needs to be a separate search for "community" and "learning" that use keywords to limit false hits.



On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:16:53 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
I was wondering about mirroring the information in tiddlywiki.com. As in, listing the plugins

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, 18:43 Birthe C, wrote:

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