Re: [video] HowTo Save TiddlyWiki wihh every browser using IIS and WebDAV

[codacoder...@outlook.com]

Very comprehensive.  Thanks Mario.

I'll be doing this on Win7 shortly and will post back the results.

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 10:03:50 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:

Hi folks,

Inspired by Lost Admin's "[TW5] WebDav Saver Observations" [1]. I did create 3 short videos, that describe, how to save TiddlyWiki using the MS Internet Information Service (IIS) and the WebDAV plugin.

 - Playlist: How to Save TiddlyWiki with ISS and WebDAV

The videos use Windows 10 Pro, so depending on your OS, the dialogs may be slightly different, but the concept should be the same.

It should also work with Windows Vista, 7, 8.x and 10. as described here. Home editions should work too!

Feedback is very welcome!

have fun!
mario

[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/8HB0R_ADYac

[PMario]

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 5:34:25 PM UTC+2, codacoder...@outlook.com wrote:

Very comprehensive.  Thanks Mario.

I'll be doing this on Win7 shortly and will post back the results.

I'm looking forward to your info.
-m

[TonyM]

Mario,

Good work on the videos, To thank you I have done a quick browser test on Windows 10 Home and the browsers available to me

In Windows 10 Home 64bit

Working save reload

• FF 55.0.2 (32bit)
• FF 55.0.3 (64bit) Portable App
• Internet Explorer 11 (Latest as at 2/9/2017)
• Microsoft Edge V 40.15063.0.0
• Firefox ESR 52.3.0 (64bit) Portable App

Not working (so Far)

Google Chrome - Cant see Text Cursor Version 60.0.3112.113 (Official Build) (64-bit)

• Error on Save
• Localhost says: Error While Saving: XMLHttpRequest error code:412

I could look at safari via network later.

Regards
Tony

[TonyM]

Also,

Success on a MAC Mini using Safari to access ISS Served empty.html on WIndows 10 Home
Chrome on MAC Mini Failure identical to Windows Chrome.

Regards
Tony

[PMario]

Hi Tony,

Thanks for testing. ... error 412 ... https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/412

So did you save from an other browser or tab, and then save witch chrome, without reloading first?

-m

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I'm beginning to think that rather than "we will lose ability to save TW easily in the future" it should be re-flagged as THE BONANZA OF SAVING METHODS.

For Joe Bloggs (the beginner user) though an easier install to saving would be best. Maybe that could be developed over the next few months. TiddlyServer looks like it could maybe made into a simple installable system?

Best wishes
Josiah

[TonyM]

Mario/ @TiddlyTweeter
A reboot and auto-load of the IIS Webdav solution its all there working, with Chrome not demonstrating the same fault as before so add Chrome to the list of Very successful browsers on top of Windows 10 Home.

Perhaps I did as you said. Perhaps I would have resolved it if I had searched for the error, something we may expect users to do.

YATWS

Yet another TiddlyWiki server!

@TiddlyTweeter, I agree with the epoch of THE BONANZA OF SAVING METHODS

I also know if there are a hundred ways to do something each with their own bespoke method sometimes people will try a few, and if they don't get what they want and give up.

We need firm tested solutions and need to provide a structured table of requirements and methods so people can choose the best option.

One way to excuse the dearth of options and deal with the resulting complexity is to present the number of alternatives as features, with a nice table of advantages and disadvantages for each solution people will be empowered to select one that suits and enter the world of TiddlyWIki with a good impression.

Here is a brain dump of options I know off that have friendly save and load, please add to this list if I have missed something includes from http://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted

• Single File on FireFox with TiddlyFox (<V57)
• Single File on FireFox ESR V52? + TiddlyFox (including Portableapps.com version
• Single File on Chrome and safari (these does not work in my view although you can work around)
  
• With NodeJS on any browser and platform inc Desktop, Server, NAS, Rasberry Pi
• I believe there is a "runtime" NodeJS bundle I have not yet tested
• NoteSelf in Browser
• NoteSelf with DB
• IIS and WebDav (Chrome, FF, Safari, IE, Edge etc...)
• Beaker Browser (yet to test)
• TiddlySpot
• TiddlyDesktop
• AndTidWiki? Android
• Using Node.js in Termux (android)
• MicroTiddlyServer TWC Only?
• Using Store PHP
• TiddlyIE extension (not used by Me)
• TWEDit on iPad/iPhone
• Git 
• Dropbox etc...

There would also be value letting users know which browsers have which kind of tools available, I love a lot about firefox as a complement to tiddlywiki because of addons that integrate but of course this is expected to change.

So on consideration of the above each solution need to list features like;

• Single File
• Multi file (eg Node JS)
  
• Database store
  
• Save as Single File
• Platform OS to Host
• Hosting Method eg NodeJS or IIS WebDav
  
• Platform / App / Browser access
• Read only eg Git? 
• Browser embed eg NodeJS no DB
• P2P
• Interactive but read only ways to publish are also important to many
• Accessibility/Security eg Localhost, LAN access Internet host
  

For the conversation

Tony

[TonyM]

P.S.

• Browser embed eg NodeJS no DB

should read

• Browser embed eg NoteSelf no DB

I would also like to see the in browser embed/save method used by NoteSelf (without DB) to be an option on all relevant browsers, with the save/download process helping people secure or backup the wiki as at a point in time, or to permit distribution or single file use.

This would allow the use of tiddlywiki as a webapp freeing tiddlywiki to work in a somewhat server-less mode (After read only open).

Regards
Tony

[Lost Admin]

That would be a bit risky. Once "clear all data" and your content is gone.

[TonyM]

Lost admin,

Are you referring to my words "Browser embed eg NoteSelf no DB"?

If you were I would suggest by example a tiddly-wiki for playing tic tack toe would hardly suffer from the changes going missing.

My interest in such a solution is providing tools to people, that get a specific task, done, end of story. Helpful if it remains indefinitely but not essential.

Regards
Tony