Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[David Gifford]

Hi all

I am using $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs in my info and to do list TiddlyWiki. Awesome.

But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.

Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified version of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao David

Mat developed a plugin that does exactly that. It obviously needs to be on your list! ;-)

Josiah

[David Gifford]

Hi Josiah

I did try both of the plugins, Mat's and Mario's, and found that in Mat's plugin, the popup that appears when hovering disappears too quickly when I move the cursor up to click on the edit button. I like Mario's link image that stays put on the selected tab and does what it should.

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:39 AM, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddly...@assays.tv> wrote:

Ciao David

Mat developed a plugin that does exactly that. Its obviously needs to be on your ;-)

Josiah


On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:29:09 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao David

Comparative plugin reviews are something that interests me. Your work makes it easier.

Gingerly, so nobody gets trashed. But comparison I think could bring plugins out of the dark.

Maybe, in time, we could develop a REVIEW section?

On Mat v. PMario, PMario wins on MINIMALISM IMO. Mat's innovation on editing function is great but not yet optimal.

Best wishes
Josiah

[David Gifford]

haha, nooo, if you want to create a review site, be my guest...my work here is done, other than adding new tools.

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I did NOT mean YOU host it :-) Relax.

I just meant that, in principle, Comparative Review, so long as it doesn't trash people, is perhaps a good way forward to engage with the richness of plugins to bring out better what we have.

It was a thought. One I hope someones will think about.

Best wishes
Josiah

[David Gifford]

:-)

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[PMario]

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 3:29:09 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:

But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.

There is an option, that allows you to show all links for all tabs.
So this will shorten your workflow by 1 click.

https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fwikilabs%2Flink-to-tabs
 

Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified version of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!

That's interesting.
We'll see. ... No promises, ... no ETA ;)

But, I did create an issue at github: https://github.com/wikilabs/plugins/issues/10

-m

[David Gifford]

Thanks Mario!

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[Diego Mesa]

Hey all,

Just for fun, I went ahead and modified Mario's plugin to go directly to edit mode. You have to edit:

$:/core/macros/tabs

And copy/paste the following content into it:

\define tabs(tabsList,default,state:"$:/state/tab",class,template)
<div class="tc-tab-set $class$">
    <div class="tc-tab-buttons $class$">
        <$list filter="$tabsList$" variable="currentTab">
            <$set name="save-currentTiddler" value=<<currentTiddler>>>
                <$tiddler tiddler=<<currentTab>>>
                    <$button set=<<qualify "$state$">> setTo=<<currentTab>> default="$default$" selectedClass="tc-tab-selected" tooltip={{!!tooltip}}>
                        <$transclude tiddler={{!!icon}}/>
                        <$tiddler tiddler=<<save-currentTiddler>>>
                            <$set name="tv-wikilinks" value="no">
                                <$transclude tiddler=<<currentTab>> field="caption">
                                    <$macrocall $name="currentTab" $type="text/plain" $output="text/plain"/>
                                </$transclude>
                            </$set>
                        </$tiddler>
                    </$button>
                    <span class="wltc-link-to-tab tc-tiddlylink">
                        <$button>
                            {{$:/core/images/link}}
                            <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-tiddler" $param=<<currentTiddler>> />
                        </$button>
                    </span>
                </$tiddler>
            </$set>
        </$list>
    </div>
    <div class="tc-tab-divider $class$"/>
    <div class="tc-tab-content $class$">
        <$list filter="$tabsList$" variable="currentTab">

            <$reveal type="match" state=<<qualify "$state$">> text=<<currentTab>> default="$default$">

                <$transclude tiddler="$template$" mode="block">

                    <$transclude tiddler=<<currentTab>> mode="block"/>

                </$transclude>

            </$reveal>

        </$list>
        </div>
</div>
\end

All it does it replace Mario's original <link> with a <button>. Currently, this comes at the cost of:

• An ugly button - this can be styled!
• When pressed for system/shadow tiddlers the warning pops up - this is desired!

Best,

Diego

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:57:23 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:

Thanks Mario!

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:55 PM, PMario <pmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 3:29:09 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:

But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.

There is an option, that allows you to show all links for all tabs.
So this will shorten your workflow by 1 click.

https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fwikilabs%2Flink-to-tabs
 

Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified version of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!

That's interesting.
We'll see. ... No promises, ... no ETA ;)

But, I did create an issue at github: https://github.com/wikilabs/plugins/issues/10

-m

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[David Gifford]

Wow, this is great! Thank you, Diego!

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[David Gifford]

This group is amazing. Sometime it is like the genie's lamp. I rub it a little, and magical things start to happen. Thanks again for the fix to the link-to-tabs.

[Diego Mesa]

no problem! And thanks to Mario for making it! My fix was more like a hack on his great work.

[PMario]

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 5:10:00 AM UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:

no problem! And thanks to Mario for making it! My fix was more like a hack on his great work.

Had a look yesterday. ... But it isn't that easy as I first thought. ... But today morning I had a new idea :)

-m

[PMario]

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 4:30:05 AM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:

This group is amazing. Sometime it is like the genie's lamp. I rub it a little, and magical things start to happen. Thanks again for the fix to the link-to-tabs.

 
Hi David,

The idea worked :) ... but I also found an issue in the core :/ ... A temporary fix is relatively straight forward, so it can be shipped with the plugin. ...

BUT .. I think the usability with system tabs and "auto-edit-mode" active is awful ...

I do see your usecase for "user tabs", where it can make sense to activate tab-links auto-edit-mode. ...

But once activated, I think, it is annoying if you want to just open "system tabs" eg: right sidebar. Since it opens the "You are about to overwrite a ShadowTiddler ... " dialog. ... And CTRL-Click, to avoid auto-edit just feels wrong.

So in contrast to the proposal at github I intend to implement the following behaviour:

Default: existing behaviour
 - auto-edit not active.
 - clicking a tab-link will open a tiddler in view mode
 - clicking a tab-link will open a shadow-tiddler in view mode
 - CTRL clicking any tab-link will open the tiddler, but won't scroll it into view


tab-link auto-edit active: new behaviour

 - clicking a tab-link will open a tiddler in edit mode
 - clicking a tab-link will open a shadow-tiddler in view mode
 - CTRL-clicking tab-links for shadow-tiddlers should force edit-mode. .... I'm not sure, if this is possible.

I'll publish a experimental bundle here, once I have a working version.

@all
What do you think? .....

Except: "How can this be so §$%& complicated ;)" ... yea ... me too!

have fun!
mario




 

[David Gifford]

Wow, thanks Mario! I think this makes perfect sense. I have only been using Diego's fix on user tabs I created, not on the sidebar tabs. I can see why users would want to open those in view mode, not edit mode.

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[coda coder]

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 7:32:22 AM UTC-6, PMario wrote:

@all

What do you think? .....

Hi Mario,

I use a very simplistic approach to the problem -- a macro called edit-this.  Inside the source tiddler for the tab, I can point it to the actual source tiddler, which may not be the tiddler used due to transclusions etc.

Obviously, this means I don't have a way to target shadows etc. -- that would be a bad idea.  Hence, I'll certainly play with your solution when it arrives.

Even so, how will your system handle transcluded sources?  Clicking a link to be shown a tiddler that contains {{sorry-look-elsewhere}} is not the best solution.  Perhaps you could check to see if there is a field "source" and open the value it contains?

Coda

[PMario]

Hi folks,

I did upload a new plugin: edit-tabs - https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/edit-tabs/, that lets automatically open non-system tiddlers in edit mode.

As I wrote in my last post, there is some js code needed, to make the stuff happening. ... That's why I did create a new plugin, and keep link-to-tabs as simple as possible.

So edit-tabs  _replaces_  link-to-tabs ... You should not install them both!

edit-tabs is experimental atm. ... Because at the time of this writing, I thought: ... I should have made the "open system-tiddlers in edit mode" configurable

So there may be a new version in the future.

have fun!
mario

[Mohammad]

Hello Mario,

I am heavily using this powerful yet simple plugin!
I would like to ask if possible add this small feature to link-to-tabs

- hidden by default

- visible on selected tab mouse hover

Thank you again for your valuable TW additions.

Cheers

Mohammad

[Mat]

Mohammad, if you didn't already, you may want to try out TabLinks which does exactly what you describe.

<:-)

[Mohammad]

Hi Mat,

 Many thanks! Yep, it has the same feature I like!

Cheers

Mohammad

[PMario]

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 6:00:41 AM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:

...

I am heavily using this powerful yet simple plugin!

I would like to ask if possible add this small feature to link-to-tabs

- hidden by default

- visible on selected tab mouse hover

I'll have a closer look.

 

Thank you again for your valuable TW additions.

 

You are welcome!

have fun!

mario

[Mohammad]

Thanks Mario!

It is really simple and very useful, specially at design time!

--Mohammad

[PMario]

Hi,

I'll upload a new plugin with an additional setting soon.

--m

[Mohammad]

Thanks Mario!

[h0p3]

I really like Mat's plugin. I'm looking for a way to add a delay to the popup itself. I'd rather I had to hover for a second before it came up.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:

Hi Josiah

I did try both of the plugins, Mat's and Mario's, and found that in Mat's plugin, the popup that appears when hovering disappears too quickly when I move the cursor up to click on the edit button. I like Mario's link image that stays put on the selected tab and does what it should.

David Gifford

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:39 AM, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddly...@assays.tv> wrote:

Ciao David

Mat developed a plugin that does exactly that. Its obviously needs to be on your ;-)

Josiah


On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:29:09 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:

Hi all

I am using $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs in my info and to do list TiddlyWiki. Awesome.

But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.

Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified version of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!

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[Mat]

h0p3 wrote:

I really like Mat's plugin. I'm looking for a way to add a delay to the popup itself. I'd rather I had to hover for a second before it came up. 

In the stylesheet in the plugin you'll find  " transition:opacity 0.9s;" and several browser specific variants. Just change the time (0.9s) in these and I think it should work.

<:-)

[h0p3]

 Awesome! Thank you. =)

[Pit.W.]

h0p3,

I looked at your beautiful website, especially your Zing font.

I would like to convert a .ttf font into such a stylesheet to make it
available on a mobile standalone tw file.

Could you tell me how I can do this conversion?

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[PMario]

Hi folks,

I did upload a new version 1.1.0 of link-to-tabs plugin.

edit-tabs will follow soon.

New:

 - New configuration option to initially hide the link button

 - Transition time can be adjusted using the settings in the ControlPanel.

The transition uses a cubic-bezier setting. So it starts slow and rises fast. You can test the behaviour if time set to 1 or 2 


have fun!

mario

PS: Other plugin can be found at: https://wikilabs.github.io/

PPS: @Mat, I'm linking to your plugin from my page as an Alternative. -- Users should have a choice ;)

[Ste Wilson]

TABS! TABS! not tags... I had to reread it several time before I understood that!

I'm going to make a pr request that tabs are known as slatybartfasts in order to reduce confusion.

Nice thing Mario!

[Mohammad]

Hi Mario,

 Many thanks for your updates!

- it seems the hover only works when you move the mouse very close to right edge! So, putting mouse over tab does note show the link icon on top right and you have to

move pointer very close to right edge!

Please have a look.

--Mohammad

[Aidan Grey]

Ooh! I know this one!

• Check for a font you like
• Visit: http://www.fontsquirrel.com/tools/webfont-generator
• Upload your font file (".ttf", ".eot", ".woff", etc) and select "Expert" option
• Check the option case at CSS >> Base64 Encode
• Generate your webkit: the output file is a ".zip" file containing a text file with the CSS code (stylesheet.css)
• Copy all text from that file into a tiddler
• Make sure the field font-family is what you want
• Tag the tiddler "$:/tags/Stylesheet" and change the tiddler type to "Plain text (text/plain)"
• Done! Your font is available :)

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[PMario]

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 5:10:40 PM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:

..

- it seems the hover only works when you move the mouse very close to right edge! So, putting mouse over tab does note show the link icon on top right and you have to

move pointer very close to right edge!

At the moment. That's intentional.

I'm no fan of hidden elements. I think: If they are hidden they shouldn't be there. If they are useful, everyone should see them.

But I can see some usecases, where it makes sense to have them. eg: If newbie users shouldn't be distracted or confused by advanced features. But advanced users or content creators should be able to use them, without the need to publish 2 different versions.

-mario

[Mohammad]

Hi Mario!

 I got it! Thank you! Yes, they are kind of advanced feature and should stay away until you need them.

Cheers

Mohammad

[Pit.W.]

Aidan,

great big thanks for this!

I NEVER would have been able to do this without your help.

And your instructions were so clear, understandable, conscientious and precise that I managed to do this at the first attempt. (And I am really not a savvy person)

h0p3,

        thanks for demonstrating on your website that this is possible at all!

Please allow me to remain Your most humble admirer,

Pit.W

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[h0p3]

Hey Pit. W,

/blush. That praise is way too high. I'm still learning how to use this tool. The generous people of the TW community are constantly showing me how to use and reason about Tiddlywiki.

I didn't respond after Aidan because that is the method I used, and I didn't want to derail the thread. I didn't see a way to contact you directly, so I'm posting here.

I'm just a madman. I'm lucky to have found TW: a tool to contain my insanity. It is always my honor to speak with people. Feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,

h0p3

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[armlet]

Hi @Aidan Grey,

Following your instruction, I successfully added a font to my wiki, with bj's ckeditor plugin. @BJ

I added the font name to $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor/config.json "font_names", the font appears in editor 'Font' dropdown.

However the font only displays in view mode, but not in edit mode.

What should I do for the font to display in edit mode as well?

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 10:41:09 AM UTC-5, Aidan Grey wrote:

Ooh! I know this one!

• Check for a font you like
• Visit: http://www.fontsquirrel.com/tools/webfont-generator
• Upload your font file (".ttf", ".eot", ".woff", etc) and select "Expert" option
• Check the option case at CSS >> Base64 Encode
• Generate your webkit: the output file is a ".zip" file containing a text file with the CSS code (stylesheet.css)
• Copy all text from that file into a tiddler
• Make sure the field font-family is what you want
• Tag the tiddler "$:/tags/Stylesheet" and change the tiddler type to "Plain text (text/plain)"
• Done! Your font is available :)

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:06 AM Pit.W. <Pi...@eclipso.ch> wrote:

h0p3,

I looked at your beautiful website, especially your Zing font.

I would like to convert a .ttf font into such a stylesheet to make it
available on a mobile standalone tw file.

Could you tell me how I can do this conversion?

Pit.W


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[Aidan Grey]

Yeah, I'd like to know how to do that too... I tried using ONLY a specific font, setting a class for .textarea, etc. but no luck.

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[h0p3]

This may be the answer you are looking for: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/dvaBHqdoAI0/mUNzk7ipBQAJ

On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 7:22:38 PM UTC-4, Aidan Grey wrote:

Yeah, I'd like to know how to do that too... I tried using ONLY a specific font, setting a class for .textarea, etc. but no luck.

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