Quick walkthrough of my notetaking process

[David Gifford]

There has been a lot of talk about walk-throughs ever since Soren's wonderful example.

Here is one of my own. It includes BLTs (formerly L+BL), and Mohammad's SearchWikis plugin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvLOdG-tCnc

There is a link in the Youtube description to a template to play with, and there are instructions in that template.

[clutterstack]

Nice demonstration! I love the rebranding.

Best,

Chris

[Naveen Roy Vikkram]

This is brilliant and might be my new notetaking process. Thanks, David!

[Mark S.]

Just thinking out loud. If the tiddler indexing code could be put in a template, then it might be possible to write a command line script that would use nodejs tiddliwiki to run a process on each wiki, collect the outputs, and rebuild the index file.  This would simplify keeping the main index up-to-date.

[David Gifford]

Go for it! That part has to do with Mohammad's plugin. That would be a great next step.

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[jtech108]

I'll have a Giffmex BLT to go please! ^_^

Nice demo David.

Much regards,

Julio

[Naveen Roy Vikkram]

Hi David, a quick question though. I'm pretty new to tiddlywiki, I see you showed two ways to add links, one using double-square brackets [[ ]] in the tiddler content (is that what transclusion is?) , the other way was by referring to a tiddler via a tag. Is one of these methods better than the other, or are these two ways of linking more or less the same? When would you use tags over links in the content.

[David Gifford]

@Julio - do you want extra cheese on that order? :-)

@Naveen - I don't think that it matters too much whether you link or tag. (transclusion is {{Tiddler title}} and is for including the text of one tiddler inside another tiddler.) As I said in the video I prefer linking and don't do much tagging.

But I usually think of tagging as listing the 'parent' category to which the current tiddler belongs, and linking is more about listing 'children' tiddlers in a table-of-contents style tiddler, or linking to related tiddlers in the middle of a note. Another benefit of linking is that you can use aliases. Another benefit of tags is that some tags provide functionality. The tag $:/tags/ViewTemplate make a tiddler appear at the bottom of every tiddler.

[Naveen Roy Vikkram]

Thanks David! I think that's good enough for me to get started with linking and tags. Appreciate your help.

[TiddlyTweeter]

Are you American?

Do you deliver BLTs overseas from Mexico?

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I think you approach is very interesting.

It HIGHLIGHTS the role of intention.

I think your recent work works well because it is expressing a clear orientation! 

Thumbs up!

Best wishes, TT

[stan...@gmail.com]

+1

What a great contribution to the TW community - and to me personally.  This notetaking process will radically alter how I put together my notes for two book revisions I am working on.  Thanks, David.

Stan

[Mohammad Rahmani]

+1

Thank you David!

Best wishes

Mohammad

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[Mohammad Rahmani]

Best wishes

Mohammad

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:44 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Just thinking out loud. If the tiddler indexing code could be put in a template, then it might be possible to write a command line script that would use nodejs tiddliwiki to run a process on each wiki, collect the outputs, and rebuild the index file.  This would simplify keeping the main index up-to-date.

This would be great Mark!

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote:

There has been a lot of talk about walk-throughs ever since Soren's wonderful example.

Here is one of my own. It includes BLTs (formerly L+BL), and Mohammad's SearchWikis plugin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvLOdG-tCnc

There is a link in the Youtube description to a template to play with, and there are instructions in that template.

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[David Gifford]

I am wondering if separating the list into sources, topics and notes is a better way of organizing this. See https://giffmex.org/blt/hist.html#How%20We%20Got%20to%20Now%20(Johnson) This is just experimental. As you know me, I will probably change my mind again tomorrow...

Feeback? Ideas?

[Naveen Roy Vikkram]

Hi David, this looks good too!

From your video I was able to understand how the backlinks, links and tags are used, but can't seem to wrap my head around how the TOC tabs or links to external files works. How do these work? Would love to understand this.

[David Gifford]

Hi Naveen

The toc tab in hist.html simply lists all the tiddlers in the present file that have a toc field.

For the other question, see https://kookma.github.io/TW-Searchwikis/. The basic idea is that every subordinate file uses that plugin's "Index and export" tiddler to create an index of all its tiddlers and export them to the central index file. Then the central index file has a tiddler $:/plugins/kookma/searchwikis/ui/advancedsearch, that reads the indexes imported from the other files and as you type in the search bar, it filters and gives you the results file by file.

I also have a tiddler in my index file (see the All TOCs tab) that is an adaptation of one of the tiddlers of the searchwiki plugin. It simply lists all the indexes imported from the other files, and lists their contents.

[Naveen Roy Vikkram]

Thanks David! That really helps, think I understand most of what you just said. I'll probably try poking around with your tiddler files to get a better understanding of things.

[ludwa6]

Am really enjoying your BLTs, @David,  but for one little bug in this sandwich: the "Index summary" table on "Searchwikis Index Summary" tiddler does not confine itself to the Story View, but spills over to obscure the sidebar content (tested in both TiddlyDesktop 0.0.14  and latest Chrome brower on MacOS 10.13.6).

As to the STN (Source/ Topic/ Notes) variant: It is also interesting, and i am of two minds as to which i prefer: in case of a wiki that is for sharing with mainstream user(s -i mean people for whom wiki-speak is a foreign language), i think the STM paradigm will feel more intuitively usable... But for me alone, as i am just beginning to "Grok" the qualities of Backlinks, Links and Tags, and am still in process of deciding how best to use them, i guess i'll stick to the BLTs diet for now (tho i'm getting a bit worried about my blood cholesterol level already :-)

/walt

[David Gifford]

@Walt

Glad you like the BLTs!

I use Windows, and the table in https://giffmex.org/blt/index.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fkookma%2Fsearchwikis%2Fui%2Findex-summary looks good to me in both Chrome and Firefox. Does this tiddler also spill over for you?

I am using STN and find it better, just because I am usually looking for a source or a topic when I glance at the sidebar. The important thing is being able to find a tiddler and see its contents. It shouldn't matter in which way it is related to the present tiddler. But I can understand why you want to use BLTs because of where you are at in terms of Grokking them.

[ludwa6]

Thanks @David for the reply.  Responding inline:

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 5:46:05 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:

...I use Windows, and the table in https://giffmex.org/blt/index.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fkookma%2Fsearchwikis%2Fui%2Findex-summary looks good to me in both Chrome and Firefox. Does this tiddler also spill over for you?'

No -that one behaves nicely, no matter how i resize the window in Chrome (or Firefox or Safari).  NB: The problem in yours is no problem, of course, when Story View is wide enough to accommodate each row in table on a line or two; it's when content of row spills onto a 3rd line that the table spills over the sidebar.  /w

 

I am using STN and find it better, just because I am usually looking for a source or a topic when I glance at the sidebar. The important thing is being able to find a tiddler and see its contents. It shouldn't matter in which way it is related to the present tiddler...

True enough, i guess, for a non-technical user... But in STN view, i spent too much time trying to understand the nature of those relations (i.e. the logic that caused them to appear as either Source Topic Note -or some combination even (?)), which caused me a bit of cognitive overload.

/walt

 

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 7:50:41 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:

Am really enjoying your BLTs, @David,  but for one little bug in this sandwich: the "Index summary" table on "Searchwikis Index Summary" tiddler does not confine itself to the Story View, but spills over to obscure the sidebar content (tested in both TiddlyDesktop 0.0.14  and latest Chrome brower on MacOS 10.13.6).

As to the STN (Source/ Topic/ Notes) variant: It is also interesting, and i am of two minds as to which i prefer: in case of a wiki that is for sharing with mainstream user(s -i mean people for whom wiki-speak is a foreign language), i think the STM paradigm will feel more intuitively usable... But for me alone, as i am just beginning to "Grok" the qualities of Backlinks, Links and Tags, and am still in process of deciding how best to use them, i guess i'll stick to the BLTs diet for now (tho i'm getting a bit worried about my blood cholesterol level already :-)

/walt

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[stan...@gmail.com]

STN reminds me of Luhmann's  Zettelkasten where notes are linked and notes are mapped to sources.  I've never found a good digital implementation.  I'm going to have to give STN a try!

Stan