Problem adding file to TiddlyDesktop

[David Gifford]

Hi all

Given that Firefox seems to be dying, and Chrome's saving for stand alone is annoying and confusing, I am looking at other options.

I downloaded TiddlyDesktop, moved it to a folder, started it with nw.exe, and dragged a tiddlywiki file into it. What appeared was " Index of [filepath to the folder above the folder in which the file resides]."

Am I doing this wrong?

[TW Tones]

David

I don't understand your first sentence. If you do not want a server version timimi makes tiddlywiki easier and more reliable than any time in its history, on chrome and firefox, and how is Firefox diminished in any way?

Regards
Tony

[David Gifford]

Hi Tony

1) Regarding Firefox dying: https://www.zdnet.com/article/an-endangered-internet-species-firefox/

2) I am using Timimi on Firefox and it is working great.

3) Maybe I just need help configuring Timimi on Chrome? I added the Timimi extension to Chrome, but it still saves the "Chrome" way - saving a duplicate of the file for every save, but the changes do not get saved in the original file. So if I have it bookmarked, the bookmark will open a file without the changes. So it looks like I would have to go into the folder every day and delete the duplicates and rename the last duplicate with the original filename. I don't want to do that.

4) You didn't reply to my main question, about TiddlyDesktop... :-)

[Mark S.]

With Timimi there is a separate exe download that you need to run for your Chrome or Chromium. It's different from the one you ran for Firefox.

The rule in marketing is that you always want your product to be unique or special.

Once FF removed extensions, it removed most of what made it special. There's no real reason not to try something else. Per a suggestion here, I've been trying Chromium.

Re Tiddlydesktop, I'm guessing you landed on the wrong target. Instead of dragging and dropping, try the "Add file" button.  

Also, if you still have trouble, consider using TD v13. I feel there have been more errors reported with v14, and it doesn't offer that much more than v13.

[David Gifford]

Hi Mark

Yes, I am using the Timimi extension for Chrome. Actual behavior now, on a local, standalone file:

1. When I edit and close editing for a tiddler, the save button goes red but no 'saved' message appears.

2. When I press the save button, the 'saved wiki' alert appears at top right, and a dialogue box appears asking me where I want to save the wiki to. No 'downloaded file' boxes appear at the bottom of the screen as they did this morning. Not sure why.

Desired behavior: When I edit and close editing for a tiddler, the 'saved wiki' alert appears, and the change is applied to the actual file, without creating duplicate files.

[Mark S.]

But did you download and run:

timimi-2-1-1-Windows-Chrome-Chromium-Opera.exe

which is different than 

timimi-2-1-1-Windows-Firefox.exe

which you probably ran when you set up for firefox ??

[David Gifford]

I didn't get it from Github. I have 2.1.3 directly from the Chrome web store.

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[Birthe C]

Dave,

I have also had some problems installing on Chromium, but then Riz updated the file we have to download from Github. I works everytime. You NEED to download it. you need to run it and chose the browser you will use it for. It works in combination with the extension you installed in your browser. Also in chromium, you need to select local folder. When I install the plugin imediately the nice tiddlywiki explaining how to is opened....it is of great help.

When you have succeeded doing this, it works in chrome/chromium just like in Firefox.

My only problem now is that I often use an old netbook (only 32 bit)...but they af gradually totally fased out also.

I totally agreed with Mark about Tiddlydesktop, the former version worked very well but quite some surprised when using the latest. Not that I am using Tiddlydesktop much.

Birthe

[Mark S.]

You can't get the executable from the Chrome store.

Timimi has two components:

1. The extension that runs in your browser (Chrome store).

2. An executable that is installed on your computer (github)

[TW Tones]

David,

1) Regarding Firefox dying: https://www.zdnet.com/article/an-endangered-internet-species-firefox/

Firefox is still my favourite, and that is all that is important to me, is not surprising the commercial organisations advertising budget is reducing popularity, however I am not so sure about those stats. I use firefox all day for tiddlywiki and more, I use Chrome a few times a day, and edge/IE occasionally. How does my usage show in the Stats? The article is about finance and revenues I imagine you can understand this in no way impacts my browser choice.

Many of the most desirable plugins I want are now back in FireFox and the new mechanisms, I think Timimi uses - "Service Workers?" stands to offer better features in the long run.

 

2) I am using Timimi on Firefox and it is working great.

Good, and that is when it worked for a long time before chrome. As others have said, Both browsers need their own plugin/addon and the matching host component, the executable. When the version first supported chrome in checked all components were updated, now I have no problem on either browser.

 

3) Maybe I just need help configuring Timimi on Chrome? I added the Timimi extension to Chrome, but it still saves the "Chrome" way - saving a duplicate of the file for every save, but the changes do not get saved in the original file. So if I have it bookmarked, the bookmark will open a file without the changes. So it looks like I would have to go into the folder every day and delete the duplicates and rename the last duplicate with the original filename. I don't want to do that. 

This is simply broken behaviour as far as I can see. Perhaps check you do not have another mechanisum for backups and saving active.

 

4) You didn't reply to my main question, about TiddlyDesktop... :-)

Sorry, Yes, the answer is if you drop content on Tiddlydesktop it may get imported to, and break the "Backstage" wiki. If you wanted to import to the backstage wiki (unlikely) open it and import there.

The only ways to add Wikis to tiddly desktop that I have used is to use the add buttons and point to an existing one,  Although there are templates documented in the backstage or help button that will be used when no file/folder is present. It is quite happy to open a Wiki I created under Bob.

Best of luck

Tony/Tones

[David Gifford]

Thanks everyone! I will have a look when I get a chance. My vacation is now officially over, so I will need to catch up on work before I have a chance to figure out what is going on. Until then, Firefox, which I love and hope will turn its fortunes around.