[TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

[Jed Carty]

I have made some improvements to the MultiUser plugin and to make it easier to use I packaged everything into a single file so you can just download the file and run it and not have to install anything. I made version for windows, osx, and linux. If you want to use it you can download the appropriate file from here: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases (tiddlyLinux for linux, tiddlyWin.exe for windows and tiddlyMac for osx).

Put the file wherever you want and run it. On windows you will probably need to give node permission depending on your firewall settings. It will start up tiddlywiki with a new wiki and open up your browser to the correct location. In the browser there will be instructions to make the wiki available to other computers on the same network if you want to try that.

Even if you are not using tiddlywiki with multiple people this plugin makes it so that you don't have to worry about saving over your changes if you open the same wiki in multiple browsers or tabs it will not save over your edits. And if you want to edit the tiddler files outside of tiddlywiki the changes will be saved and the browser will be updated immediately.

In other news,

If you want to support the development of my plugins you can donate to the OokTech Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/OokTech

[Jed Carty]

From the feedback I am getting from this I don't think that I have been clear enough so I am going to explicitly say here that this (and the multi-user plugin normally) can server multiple wikis. So you just start it once and it can serve as many wikis as you want without you having to start a new node process. And the configuration to add new wikis to serve is done inside the wiki in the control panel. You do have to restart to make it start serving new wikis, but that should change soon.

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Jed,

Wanted to test this magic, so I just downloaded TiddlyOSX release candidate 1. On my Mac (10.13.3), it doesn't want to be executed: OSX opens TextEdit instead when I double-click or "open" the file (see attachment) 🤔

Best,

Xavier.

-- Xavier Cazin

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Jed Carty <inmy...@gmail.com> wrote:

From the feedback I am getting from this I don't think that I have been clear enough so I am going to explicitly say here that this (and the multi-user plugin normally) can server multiple wikis. So you just start it once and it can serve as many wikis as you want without you having to start a new node process. And the configuration to add new wikis to serve is done inside the wiki in the control panel. You do have to restart to make it start serving new wikis, but that should change soon.

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[Jed Carty]

Oh, it looks like this is a problem caused by me being too familiar with what I am doing.

You need to make the file executable. To do this open a terminal (terminal.app) and navigate to where the file is and then type

chmod +x ./tiddlyOSX.dms

and then you should be able to double click on the file and open it. You may need to cmd click and set the default application to open it with to terminal.app

And I need to add this to the documentation.

[Xavier Cazin]

Jed,

Wow, indeed, this was enough for it too launch immediately! Very impressive. I'll explore and tell you how it goes.

Thanks,

Xavier.

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed

Its very easy to get started. The configuration Tiddler is excellently interactive.

Is it possible to add a "My Wikis" section to it?

[Jed Carty]

You click on the + button at the bottom, call it wikis and make it an object. Then you add entries to that to list each wiki and the path to that wiki.

Configuration here documentation is here

https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser/blob/master/Configuration.md

and here

https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser/blob/master/Documentation/Starting%20Other%20Wikis.tid

I am making some improvements that make this a bit simpler and let you do all of this without restarting the server, they should be uploaded sometime later today.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TBH Jed I think I'm gonna need more detailed step by step instructions. I'm more than willing to help write them up once I'm clearer. I managed to create the "object" "wiki" but I haven't been able to actually create one and I wasn't sure whether its a "path" or an "object".

I think part of the complication is I also need to use relative Windows paths. The idea being that all I create is fully portable.

I see from the notes that giving the name doesn't create the wiki so there is a further step  too I'm unclear on.

I'm very happy to be patient on this. I do really grasp this is a rich tool that is under development.

This is just a note for your info.

Best wishes
Josiah

[Ed]

OK, come on guys here, at TiddlyWiki Groups
Please, consider supporting Jed at Patreon.
Only three supporters yet.
Jed is one of the mainstays of TW in my humble opinion.
so help out if you can!

Cheers! Edm.
.
.

Op maandag 19 maart 2018 00:00:33 UTC+1 schreef Jed Carty:

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Ed.

More than willing.

But does Patreon support one-off payments?

I'm not into long term 25 months at 2 Euro. Tomorrow I may hate you :-)

Just giving 50 Euro in one go is more my style. Its also less costly for me. And simpler.

Josiah

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Jed,

I am exploring this beautiful plugin feature by feature. The one that struck me was the ability to launch scripts. A direct application of this could be dictation of selected text. For testing purposes, MacOS has the built-in command say (http://jampal.sourceforge.net/ptts.html can be run on Windows, same for http://espeak.sourceforge.net/ on Linux). So I made an entry in the scripts setting like so: "say":"say #something", and a test tiddler like so:

\define say(t:"bar")
<$list filter="[tag[$t$]]">
  <$action-websocketmessage $type='runScript' name='say' #string={{!!text}}/>
</$list>
\end
<$button actions='<<say "foo">>'>
Dictate text from tiddlers
</$button>

It works almost as expected, but you may guess what happened: script executions don't wait for the previous one to terminate, so with 3 tiddlers tagged foo, I felt like I was in a Parisian café.

So here is a feature request: add a parameter to <$action-websocketmessage that allows a script to stay in the foreground so that the next scripts have to wait for it to terminate. Hope it makes sense...

Thank you for the great work!

Xavier.

-- Xavier Cazin

[Jed Carty]

Xavier,

I hadn't considered using it that way. I like that idea, I will see what I can do to ensure that the commands run in sequence.

And this reminds me that I made a text-to-speech plugin for tiddlywiki last year in oxford that I don't know if I ever got around to publishing. I need to do that too.

[Ed]

Hi Josiah,

Great offer, hope that we all here can chip in and let's not btw forget Eric, so many years active!!
Shame on me that I neglected him.

I think that Patreon offers such an option, as I have another project that I support.
That is a film production and they get a one time payment for such a production,
but Jed would have to see if and how it can be done.

Salut les gars, Edm.
.
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Op woensdag 21 maart 2018 18:02:37 UTC+1 schreef @TiddlyTweeter:

[Jed Carty]

A new release candidate is here!

This time it has a new way of making new wikis without using shell scripts because that seemed to be the biggest source of problems for people. So now you go to the tab in the control panel, select the edition you want to use, give it a name and then click a button and it creates and starts the wiki. There is even a list that automatically updates to show all the available wikis being served.

I don't have a reliable way to test this in windows, so windows testers are appreciated.

OSX note: I haven't found a way to make the file executable when you download it yet so you have to run 'chmod +x tiddlyOSX.command' in the terminal before you can use it. Once the other bugs are worked out I will just bundle it as a .app file and release that which should avoid the problem.

For the donations conversation:

I don't think that patreon supports one-time donations. We are looking into setting up a PayPal account that could take one-time donations, but when I did that with my personal account in the past I didn't have much success.

[Måns Mårtensson]

Wauv!!

Please setup a PayPal account - I wan't to pay for this ;-)

Great work @Jed

Just ran it on Win 10 and everything seems to work out of the box :-)

Also: What a great way to showcase editions.

Nice touch with the 0.0.0.0. button ;-)

Is there a way to point to a folder with your own editions - to use as templates?

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

 

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[Jed Carty]

As a quick update, I fixed a bug (at least on osx and linux, I can't test on windows at the moment) that only appears when you don't start from the command line. Under some circumstances the wiki folders would be created in unexpected places instead of wherever the executable is. If anyone can test this on windows I would appreciate it. Thanks to @TiddlyTweeter to pointing out the bug.

Måns,

I am working on allowing external editions to be used as templates. The internal pseudo-filesystem structure set up by the packing it as a single executable causes some path problems that I am still working out. After I get that fixed than creating wikis using custom editions should be possible.

[BurningTreeC]

@Jed 

Your single executable is Great, nuff said.

I'm a poor student but to support this I'm gonna look forward scratching some pennies together!

Question: do you need help for documentation, or would you welcome PRs on your repository for the layout stuff?

Simon

[Jed Carty]

As Jeremy has said many times, the people here aren't the target audience when asking for donations and support. I like tiddlywiki and the things I make are normally just the toys that I make in my spare time. This specific plugin I made to fit my companies internal needs so there is a bit more of a work aspect to it but most people who are active here also contribute to the group, asking questions helps determine what is needed and useful, documentation is always important and bug reports can save everyone a lot of time by helping to find where problems are.

I mentioned the patreon page because a few people have asked about helping with the development costs in the past and we made it to support making the videos with my robot, it wasn't meant to pressure anyone to donate. I do need to eat and I wouldn't turn down a donation, but I don't want anyone to feel pressured to donate. I work on tiddlywiki because I enjoy working on it and unless you are trying to get me to work as an unpaid engineer for a business than I am fine.

@BurningTreeC,

Both of those sound great. I think that the plugin is stable enough that most of the improvements will come from better documentation and interface so anything you can help with would be greatly appreciated.

[Mat]

I'm probably doing a lot of naive mistakes but here's what I did and get:

I downloaded the latest file and simply started it. I'm unsure if I had node.js installed previously (I did have it at one time but I may have uninstalled it) but currently when I look, I do have it which might be from running the TW file. Side note; Windows defender wanted me to not allow it to run as it was from an unknown distributor.

Anyway, running it I get:

NodeSettings - Failed to load settings file.
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
NodeSettings - Failed to load settings file.
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
ws-server - Failed to load settings file.
Websockets listening on  8081
Serving on 127.0.0.1:8080
(press ctrl-C to exit)
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/ServerIP
For $:/ServerIP, type is application/x-tiddler hasMetaFile is false filepath is C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__ServerIP.tid
saved file C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__ServerIP.tid
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/WikiSettings/split
For $:/WikiSettings/split, type is application/json hasMetaFile is false filepath is C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings_split.tid
saved file C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings_split.tid
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/WikiSettings/split/ws-server
For $:/WikiSettings/split/ws-server, type is application/json hasMetaFile is false filepath is C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings_split_ws-server.tid
saved file C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings_split_ws-server.tid
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/WikiSettings
For $:/WikiSettings, type is application/json hasMetaFile is false filepath is C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings.tid
saved file C:\Users\M\Downloads\TW\IndexWiki\tiddlers\$__WikiSettings.tid
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
new connection

...and Windows firewall showing

...clicking "Allow access" opens new tab in browser (or possibly it opened before) with

http://127.0.0.1:8080/

Should I continue investigating it or is that pointless at this time considering the many "fails" listed above? Or is maybe everything as it should be?

<:-)

[Jed Carty]

That is everything working. All the things failing is just it saying that the default wiki doesn't exist yet so it creates one. I should change what all the messages say to something less dire sounding. The next time you start it it should find all the configuration files and it will say it is loading them.

[TonyM]

Jed,

Thanks for your work, I will be donating as soon as my own finances are in order.

I use windows 10, and happy to provide testing and feedback for you there.

I replaced an older version with the latest and of course I no longer saw the hello. WHich means I did not see the new set the host to 0.0.0.0 button. Its all in test so I blew away the last "install".

Just a note for upgrades in the future.

My "Editions list" is empty but I saw your comments earlier - are these pointing to the internet or can we point them to a folder? Even custom folder(s).

I already have Existing wikis I do not need to create but would like to point to existing wikis - the documentation tiddler needs to be updated 

$:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/Starting Other Wikis

To Create the Wikis section create an object named wikis

To add a wiki create a field named "WikiName" with the path as the value

In windows change slash to backslash ?

Can we only point to Node Installs or also single file installs?

Unfortunately there is snsufficent info for me to get the aditional wikis working

Here is an example

I have a NodeJS install at the folder C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au

"wikis": {

"PSaT":"C:/Data/TW5/NodeJS/psat.com.au    

The above closed the server window when I link to it from Available Wikis

As does

"PSaT":"C://Data//TW5//NodeJS//psat.com.au  

C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au

C:\\Data\\TW5\\NodeJS\\psat.com.au

Last attempt with more details

"psat.com.au": "C:\\Data\\TW5\\NodeJS\\psat.com.au

    

NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.

NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.

Added route /^\/psat.com.au\/?$/

Websockets listening on  8085

Settings.json reads

{

  "ws-server": {

    "port": "8084",

    "rootTiddler": "$:/core/save/single",

    "renderType": "text/plain",

    "serveType": "text/html",

    "username": "",

    "password": "",

    "host": "0.0.0.0",

    "pathprefix": ""

  },

  "wikis": {

    "psat.com.au": "C:\\\\Data\\\\TW5\\\\NodeJS\\\\"

  }

}

I hope you can help me, and I you.

Tony

[Jed Carty]

If the list of editions is empty than that is a bug I haven't run into yet. To be sure, when you go to the $:/ControlPanel -> Node Settings tab -> Available Wikis tab and then the click on the select widget the list of available editions is empty? The editions listed are listed directly in the tiddler, if the selection is empty than you have a modified version somehow. All the editions are packaged with the executable, the idea is for this part to be fully self-contained.

The list below that is the list of wikis it is currently serving, so it would be empty if you haven't made any yet. When you use the new executable in the same place and the old one than it would open up the same IndexWiki you were using before so any settings would be preserved because it is the same wiki in the same way as updating node wouldn't change the wiki you use on it.

If you are on windows you should use the windows path separators '\', but the paths may have to be relative to where you have the executable. 

For the moment this only supports node wikis, the multi-user part can't work on the single file version directly. My plan is to make a seamless way to add a single file wiki and edit it and then create a new single file wiki afterward but we aren't there yet.

If what you listed in your post is all that is being output in the terminal than there is something else going on, it should say 'Serving on 0.0.0.0:8084' and then open up in a browser automatically.

I am going to try and test on windows again to see if I can answer any of your questions, but it has been over a decade since I used windows so I am not sure how much help I can be here.

[Jed Carty]

When you say you have a nodejs install do you mean the node executable or to the tiddlywiki code?

The paths have to be to the tiddlywiki.info files. The path to the tiddlywiki.info file should be C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info if you use the path C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au for the wiki.

My quick test on windows let me use both relative and absolute paths, but I forgot to both update the settings file and the paths the first time I tried and it didn't work. Make sure you are clicking the buttons to update them.

[TonyM]

Thanks Jed,

The Editions suddenly appeared, I rebooted after some strange behaviour, such as loosing r-click and paste. Create from empty worked well. Where are the editions sourced from in the exe or over the internet?

However using C:\\Data\\TW5\\NodeJS\\psat.com.au\\tiddlywiki.info or C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info is not working, when I select the available wikis tab, it is there however the wiki trys to open but the tiddlywin.exe window closes

I am running tiddlyWin.exe from C:\Data\TW5\TiddlyWIkiMU

I used a Relative path ..\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info 

However we can see from the console the following routes added, which clearly suggests the path is considered below .\Wikis\test as in the case for my test wiki (from Empty)

Console message on update routes

Added route /^\/psat.com.au\/?$/

Added route /^\/test\/?$/

I see how the section Wikis is part of the assumed path

I used a Relative path ..\..\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info to lift the relative path out of wikis folder.

With the same result

I will try a few more things and let you know if I learn something that will help you see whats happening.

Thanks

Tony

[TonyM]

Confirmed Moving psat.com.au below Wikis and adding the path .\Wikis\psat.com.au works at http://127.0.0.1:8084/psat.com.au

Now all I need is the ability to code relative or absolute paths.

Looking good!

Regards

Tony

[Jed Carty]

I am glad you got it working, I am not sure why it isn't working outside the Wikis folder. As I mentioned before, there is some strange interaction between the pseudo-filesystem inside the packaged application and the real file system so these problems often don't show up when running it normally which makes it hard to debug. I expect that the next week is going to be full of digging up unexpected errors.

As a note for the future, you want the path without the tiddlywiki.info part on it. I will add an issue to make it accept either version, but for now you don't want to have tiddlywiki.info at the end.

[TonyM]

Jed,

I only coded tiddlywiki.info because i thought you were saying to do so. Dont bother coding for that exception. It makes sence to point at the folder and not add the standard filename to the path. It is redundant info.

Thanks for this great solution.
Tony

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jed, FYI, I wrote on Twitter this note ...

Under active refinement is @MaybeJed's #MultiUser #TiddlyWiki system ... Its extremely good. It can be made #portable. Its very flexible. Supports all main OS.

Please visit and comment.

discussion: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/X6R3Nunh_KU

releases: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases

[Mat]

On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 12:45:02 AM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:

That is everything working. All the things failing is just it saying that the default wiki doesn't exist yet so it creates one. I should change what all the messages say to something less dire sounding. The next time you start it it should find all the configuration files and it will say it is loading them.

OK, so I shut down the tab and the nodejs window and restarted. Now I get:

NodeSettings - Failed to load settings file.

NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.

NodeSettings - Failed to load settings file.

NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.

ws-server - Failed to load settings file.
Websockets listening on  8081
Serving on 127.0.0.1:8080
(press ctrl-C to exit)

 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
new connection

Maybe the failures is because I have not made any settings... and therefore don't have a settings file?

Some further notes:

For someone not used to nodejs it would be nice to read somewhere that the nodejs window (or whatever it is called) is supposed to be opened when running the file... and if it should (i.e must) remain open while using the wiki.

In the Hello tiddler, there are instructions to set the host to 0.0.0.0 ...but further down there seem to be a button that would do this automatically if clicked. If the button in deed does this, I suggest it is moved to earlier in the text and have the hands-on description mentioned only as a link to as a separate tiddler.

The wiki server ip address and port seen - are they specific for my computer and lan? I.e do other people have different numbers there? 

...and does knowing those digits enable me to access the wiki from other computers on other networks? (assuming my computer is on... and, I guess, is running the TW). Or what would be required for this to work?

If some of my questions are FAQ then it might be useful to answer them in the docs rather than here.

Thanks Jed!!!

<:-)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Node console messaging is full of dramatic stuff like ...

Death is immanent.
Your current incarnation has been successfully saved.

For a normal user its a bit scary. AND confusing. Its saying one line that its not saving. The next line its saved.

I think the issue is partly about the purpose as well as the language.

If you using this for development work it makes sense to have a console visible. But if you using it just to run TW and its setup right I'm not sure you need to see the console at all.

This was raised in another thread and a possible solution offered, about not showing the "terminal", from here on: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/I3naFCl37kc/lCt8JTYrBAAJ

I did suggest, at minimal, that the terminal windows could start at say something like ...

" -- DON'T CLOSE THIS WINDOW UNTIL DONE --
         It is running TiddlyWiki in your browser"

Josiah

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Jed, very cool stuff indeed!

I am up and running on my own machine, but I don’t kow how to restart the server ... or is this really possible by pressing a button on a webpage?

Are there other things I should check on OS X to serve a wiki to other machines in my WLAN? I tried to set the server to 0.0.0.0 but the wiki is always started on http://127.0.0.1:8080

I also made a new wiki using your buttons, but http://127.0.0.1:8080/LocalWiki seems not to be saved and doesn’t look German although I chose de-DE edition. Another wiki I made with de-AT has content, but no german Language plugin (no languages at all).

How can I delete Wikis I am not happy with? (I had a space in my very first attempt and managed somehow to delete it in settings.json and in my master wiki.) I would like to be sure that my fumbling not leads to further problems.

For amateurs like me it yould make starting much easier if more info was available in a readme or first steps document.

On OS X you have to

• grant rights to the downloaded app to be started
• interprete output of the terminal
  
• cd into the directory where tiddlyOSX.command can be found
  
• chmod +x ./tiddlyOSX.command
• double click chmod tiddlyOSX.command again
• (realise you don’t need a plugin to save in Safari)
• (realise a file is downloaded when you click the checkmark in the sidebar)

Thank you for this, this will be great when finished!

All the best,

Thomas

[Thomas Elmiger]

Update: my LocalWiki saves now.

Cheers,
Thomas

[Jed Carty]

Your browser opens in 127.0.0.1 even if it is available to the local network, this doesn't mean other computers can't connect. It should show you the ip address to use to connect from other computers.

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Jed, it seems the 0.0.0.0 setting is not saved (although the checkmark is dark gray, not red).

[TonyM]

Thomas,

In the master wiki there is a button to save settings. This will update the settings.json

Regatds
Tony

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Thomas,

Since 0.0.0.0 is not a real computer address, you own computer will keep both 127.0.0.1 (always true for operations local to it like accesses with a browser running on the same machine) and its local network address that is displayed in the "Hello!" tiddler (probably assigned automatically at connection time, and starting with 192.168).

Assigning 0.0.0.0 to the server is just a convention that says that other hosts in the same local network are allowed to access the wikis operated by the server. They will do so using your machine local address (thus typically http://192.168.x.x:8080).

Best,

Xavier.

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[Thomas Elmiger]

Tony and Xavier,

Thank you for the hints, it is working now!

Next: find out why the "retain story ordering" button in the control button respectively [list[$:/StoryList]] as default tiddler does not work.

Good night and best regards,

Thomas

[Jed Carty]

The story list tiddler isn't saved to the server, otherwise it would force everyone connected to the wiki to see the same thing. I am trying to come up with a way to all to retain story ordering feature but I don't think there is a straight forward way to do it. I think I need to implement the authentication and login parts for multiple people before I can make saving the story ordering work.

[TonyM]

Jed,

Could the user name be retained in cookies like twc.

I would be happy to assist in developing a user management layer.

I have this idea that variouse page view and edit templates and some buttons like the edit button could be given an index number from say 1 to 9 which is used with the reveil widget greater than test.the idea is the higher the number the more is revield. Each user could have a value set 1 to 9 that determins what they see such as all elements equal or above.

It need not be enforced, but allow the wiki to be used in different modes from apparently read only through to edit shadow tiddlers.

Regards
Tony

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jed

A small suggestion ... That you list Available Wikis first here ...


Best wishes
Josiah

[Jed Carty]

I considered that but while It is nice to have the available wikis directly available at the top but it becomes an accessibility issue because it puts fixed content under dynamic content. When you have no wikis than the add wiki interface is at the top and easily visible, but if you add enough wikis than it won't be visible when you open the tab.

I think that a workable solution is to also put the list in a sidebar tab like a table of contents. You can transclude the  a copy of the list anywhere you want by putting {{$:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/Wiki Listing}} in a tiddler.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Understood. Your suggestion will do the job. Thanks!

Jed Carty wrote:

I considered that but while It is nice to have the available wikis directly available at the top but it becomes an accessibility issue because it puts fixed content under dynamic content...

 

... a workable solution is to also put the list in a sidebar tab like a table of contents ... transclude the  a copy of the list anywhere you want by putting {{$:/plugins/OokTech/MultiUser/Wiki Listing}} in a tiddler.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Xavier, Jed & all ...

Is there any reason why the "0.0.0.0" should not be pre-set as the default for multi-accessibility, rather than having to manually add it?

I'm talking here as an idiot who can't see any downsides to that.

Josiah

[Jed Carty]

The downside is that anyone on the network can access the wiki. So if you have it on your laptop and go to starbucks and use their wifi than everyone there can use tiddlywiki to run shell commands on your computer.

After I get security and authentication set up than I may consider making it server on 0.0.0.0 by default, but it is always very risky behaviour.

Someone who knows what they are doing could get access to everything on your computer and set it up so that your computer can be accessed remotely any time you are on wifi. So it is not going to be the default setting now, and probably never will be.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Thanks for the clarification on 0.0.0.0. I get it.

[Jed Carty]

And because it is almost certainly going to be the next suggestion, disabling the part that lets it run shell scripts isn't enough to make it safe. Someone could still get into the wiki do whatever they want, and possibly install a javascript plugin in the wiki that, while it would only take effect after the server part is restarted, could do whatever they want it to do.

With proper authentication than you can avoid a lot of these problems, but I don't know of any authentication methods that I would trust enough to use like that. This is different than a normal server where you can use https and have signed certificates to help with the authentication and security.