[TW5] Bob version 1.0.4 Sourdough Pizza (preparation for federation)

[Jed Carty]

This is a very small update compared to the previous one. The only significant addition in the internalFetch message that lets you copy tiddlers from one wiki on the Bob server into another one and is modelled after the --fetch command created by Jeremy for the core.

It is copying, so the two versions are independent, changing the tiddler is the source wiki has no effect on the copied version. Sharing the same tiddler between wikis so changes to the tiddler appear in every wiki that has the tiddler is planned but may be a while.

I am making this release with so little in it because the next step is to add inter-server federation and I wanted a clean start for that. As an addition I am planning on making a plugin that single file wikis can use to fetch or send tiddlers from/to Bob servers.

The single executable version is here: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases

The plugin version is here: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob, or you can do a drag and drop install from 

The changelog for this version is (the full changelog is available in the Bob repo):

- The disconnected message is now much smaller because you can keep working on
the wiki and reconnect.
- Added the internalFetch message to match the --fetch command in the core.
  -It fetches tiddlers from another wiki on the same Bob server
  -Tiddlers to import are selected by a filter
  -There is an optional transform filter that can modify the imported tiddlers
   titles (you can add prefixes/suffixes, etc.)
  -Conflict resolution uses the same system as resyncing to a server.

[Jed Carty]

Oh, I forgot to actually put in the link to the wiki you can do a drag-and-drop install from: https://www.ooktech.xyz:8443/Public

[Mat]

Quote from https://www.ooktech.xyz:8443/Public

"This is going to be used to show responses to questions on the forums and as a history of answered questions."

Me is like goin';

[Mohammad]

Jed,

 This may be a redundant question! but I am using Bob 1.0.3, why the saved wiki (as a single file) when reopened in browser does not work and shows a javascript erroe!

The red page!

/Mohammad

[Jed Carty]

Where is the single file wiki from? If you have Bob in a single file wiki than there will be an error.

[Mohammad]

Jed,

 I have tiddlyWin32.exe (the single executable). I created wikis using Bob (tiddlyWin32.exe)

and they works fine! When I click on the save button a single (mywiki.html) is saved on my local folder!

Opening this file in browser shows the red window (JavaScript error)

- Mohammad

[Jed Carty]

Mat,

That has been on that wiki for a few weeks now, from back when I first set it up. I have been putting some of my answers there but I have been very inconsistent. That is why it needs more people who can edit it. Also for something that is actually a group project the dev server for ooktech is a bad place to be because we routinely break the server in our other experiments.

Mohammad,

I should disable that saving function, it isn't useful with Bob.

The wiki saves automatically, wikis saved using the save button will be single file copies of the wiki but they have the Bob plugin with gives errors. If you want to export a single file version with out Bob than you use the bulidHTMLWiki message described here: https://www.ooktech.xyz:8443/Public#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FOokTech%2FBob%2FWebSocketMessage-buildHTMLWiki

If you just want to use Bob normally than everything gets saved automatically.

[Mohammad]

Thank you Jed!

 So, yes please disable or hide it!

I got how to have a single html file from wikis created by Bob!

Thanks again

[Mohammad]

Jed,

 One more point!

I was able to successfully create the single file wiki using the instruction here

https://www.ooktech.xyz:8443/Public#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FOokTech%2FBob%2FWebSocketMessage-buildHTMLWiki

Just I want to ask it would be better to have a short message (like the ones appeared as small yellow popup in tiddlywiki) when build the single file successfully!

Of course I can switch to console to see what happened!

Mohammad

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jed & Bob

Testing Single Executable version of Bob 1.0.4 on Windows 7 64-bit desktop in Firefox 52.9.

editionsPath: Unfortunately I still can't get "editionsPath" to work. I still get the same error as I reported for 1.0.2 ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/c_Xgyw4Sku0/Um9cYSBtCgAJ

Not sure if its me or Bob at fault.

Best wishes
Josiah

[@TiddlyTweeter]

internalFetch.

Worked really well in tests I did. Its very useful indeed. And not just for TWederation. Its a great tool for helping build wiki. For instance, rather than drag & drop a JSON I can set up a single push-button to achieve the same thing to transport needed Tiddlers.

A comment: Only issue is I don't see any feedback telling me if it worked or not. I had to go look manually to find out. UPDATE: Let me qualify that I did see changes in the console so my comment is likely redundant. However, for people getting used to Bob it may be worth mentioning more in the docs to: "Watch the Console."

Best wishes
Josiah

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Request.

I personally would find it very helpful if the console, on opening, reported ...

-- The version of Bob
-- The version of TW being used

Yes, I know I can go look in the plugin but basically in Bob you keep most eye on the console.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

For folk on email I updated my post about "internalFetch" that changes its meaning @ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/p40Q30fhEoo/_bfhHbdXBQAJ

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Query about "internalFetch."

I was wondering if the internalFetch mechanism could somehow work along with excludeList in buildHTMLWiki. In other words building a single file Wiki that (a) excludes some Tiddlers and (b) includes some Tiddlers not needed in Bob but needed in a standalone Wiki. An example would be adding a CSS Tiddler that hides part of the interface in a wiki destined for on-line use.

Just a thought
Josiah

[@TiddlyTweeter]

A comment on Documentation.

Jed, I think your documentation is good. Its not too long. Its not too short. It is to the point.

BUT I found I have to constantly refer to the documentation because Bob is rich and it takes a while to get your head round it. Its not like familiar TW. The cross-interactions and the interface with the OS are quite different.

What I am getting at is that it might be an idea to get the docs a bit more upfront. I found it important to read them thoroughly and then re-read them till I get clear. Maybe they could be linked to more in Bob Central?

Just a thought
Josiah

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I AM beginning to wonder if I'm the only person using Bob?

I think its fantastic.

The utility for making wikis is unsurpassed. You get all of standard TW plus great tools for building stand-alone TW wikis. Access to the OS to run programs to do things TW is not so good at. The Single Executable version is a doddle to get started on. Its multi-point-access enabled out of the box. Works over a network. Is available for most every platform.

I wrote a thread on some basics on Bob for Windows no one but TonyM replied to: https://groups.google.com/forum/?pli=1#!searchin/tiddlywiki/session$201%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/lBqVhw-M3ds/4Enu62jECAAJ

I'm not quite sure what the issue is. Lack of numbers? Lack of comprehension? "Just getting on with it so I don't need report back?"

IMO this kind of tool needs feedback, Jed needs feedback, so it can improve and so the developer doesn't feel "no one uses it." I do. Its changed how I use TW. I basically write in Bob now. I build from Bob to TW stand-alones that run in TiddlyDesktop for finished wiki. And sometimes directly from Bob to students of mine via on-line versions. All this is one step in Bob. One button press when you understand it.

[Ste Wilson]

I will bob!
And twboberate!

Just had a hectic summer... I did twederate previously.

I think they are most awesome things.