can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[passingby]

Hey Danielo,

I am very interested in getting my tiddlywiki sync and shared across devices, so I found your efforts very promising. But when I sign up with a lite account at cloudant I cant seem to find a way to create a database. Is it no longer available since it has become IBM Bluemix?

Thanks!

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello passingby,

I didn't tried to create an account recently, so I'm not sure about it, but several people is reporting that indeer it is now part of bluemix. I'm not sure what does this mean for the regular user, I have to investigate it a bit further. Anyway, if anyone have any experience I encourage them to post it here

[PMario]

HI,

https://console.bluemix.net/catalog/services/cloudant-nosql-db

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[passingby]

Reading the link it says "Lite plan services are deleted after 30 days of inactivity". That's problematic. Is there any other option ? 

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 7:47:56 AM UTC-4, PMario wrote:

HI,

https://console.bluemix.net/catalog/services/cloudant-nosql-db

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[Lost Admin]

There is (or was) another couchdb service provider, but they don't have a free tier. I can't remember the name off-hand and a quick google search of "hosted couchdb" shows several options.

Another choice would be to host your own on a VPS. There are a great many options in this space for reasonable rates. Linode, Digital Ocean, Liteserver.nl, OVH all have pretty inexpensive monthly fees.

Just after the conversion from cloudant to bluemix, I was trying to set-up Noteself and ran into the same problem as you. I ended up running Couchdb on my home computer and making it accessible from the Internet. Then I ran into issues with Noteself reloading when using Firefox. I chased down the issue as far as I could but haven't seen anyone else reply to my post about it. So I gave up on Noteself.

Assuming this link works, my write-up on the issue is here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/sTAGedJxe6k/WU6vJLXlAwAJ;context-place=forum/tiddlywiki

For what it's worth, my set-up does work properly and my CouchDB runs over a TLS connection so it's a pretty secure set-up.

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Danielo

In my case, after making a FREE account, after 30 days they ask you to give a Credit Card Number to re-activate the account. That does NOT mean you have to pay anything. You only pay IF your traffic reaches levels that I doubt any normal TW user ever would generate.

The switch to Bluemix only IS a bit confusing, but its NOT a conspiracy to rip you off, nor is it one to dump you.

Best wishes
Josiah

[Lost Admin]

I don't suppose you have instructions for how to get Noteself to work with the weird Bluemix authentication or at least to allow fall-back to couchdb authentication?

[Dragon Cotterill]

For what it's worth, my set-up does work properly and my CouchDB runs over a TLS connection so it's a pretty secure set-up.

Runs over TLS on a connection that doesn't use certificate pinning, so it's not as secure as you think it is. 

[Arlen Beiler]

As he said, "Lite plan services are deleted after 30 days of inactivity". This is different than asking for your credit card. I would test it first by making a test service and add a bit of data to see what happens after 30 days. I've been investigating other options a little, as I particularly like NoteSelf in many ways. 

Heroku is the best option for hosting your own server, but you still need a storage mechanism. 

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

TBH, I think we have got caught in the midst of a big change at IBM.

What I'm gonna do is give it a week yet & look to see if its settled out in a way that makes sense for a starter. Commenting on what I can do now is NOT the point. The point is what Joe Newbie could.

So, in a week, I'll try make another account on BlueMix and report back.

Best wishes
Josiah

Lost Admin wrote:

I don't suppose you have instructions for how to get Noteself to work with the weird Bluemix authentication ...

[Lost Admin]

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 11:37:25 AM UTC-4, Dragon Cotterill wrote:

For what it's worth, my set-up does work properly and my CouchDB runs over a TLS connection so it's a pretty secure set-up.

Runs over TLS on a connection that doesn't use certificate pinning, so it's not as secure as you think it is. 

It is as secure as I think it is. That is why I said "pretty secure" instead of "secure". I'm aware of the issues when pinning is not enabled. As Couchdb does not support it, I can't do much at this time. In any case, this is both a hobby and a test case.

I also (currently) don't have back-ups of the couchdb database(s) or a restore strategy. I haven't put the couchdb server in a jail. I haven't decided if server-side encryption would offer any real benefit. I haven't enabled mandatory access controls on the server to further restrict access to the data. I haven't got a web application firewall in place yet. I have a very primitive IDS in place. "Pretty secure" is not "production ready" but is, in my opinion, "hobby ready". Oh, and it's currently running on my home (DHCP assigned) address, which changes about once a week.

[mauloop]

I'm syncing Noteself with https://cloudno.de/. It works fine and has a free plan.

[TonyM]

If anyone can point me to instructions to install on a cPanel host I can host it in Sydney Australia for free or a small cost recovery.

Regards
Tony

[Danielo Rodríguez]

> Then I ran into issues with Noteself reloading when using Firefox. I chased down the issue as far as I could but haven't seen anyone else reply to my post about it. So I gave up on Noteself.

I'm sorry about that Lost Admin, I don't have much time this days and it's very easy to miss a post (or many to be honest) on the Google group. I'm also sad about you giving up on Noteself.

Regards

[Lost Admin]

Danielo,

Although you made Noteself, I don't blame you for missing it. I was disappointed that nobody else (anyone) even tried to confirm my results.

Additionally, before giving up, I did re-download the noteself empty.html and re-try it. I still get those errors on Firefox, but oddly only when serving up from lighttpd. My instance on Apache and running from a local file don't mess things up. So, I haven't quite given up. I'm just not comfortable with not understanding the peculiar situation.

If you point  your web browser at https://wiki.suntrap.ca/noteself.html you will be accessing my instance. Note, this is just the empty.html (or should be) from noteself.github.io. I'm running my own couchdb. At the moment I need to manually create new users and their databases, so it's not for general use. 

[Mark S.]

I've given up for the moment for NS firefox on cloudant. (posted in another thread).

I *think* what happened is that I deleted the NS database (to see if I could). It deleted the actual database, but left cookies or something so that I can't re-establish a connection to NS on cloudant. That is, the delete was incomplete. I imagine if I used brand-new profile it would work again.

Mark

[Lost Admin]

Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone in my experience with NoteSelf and Firefox.

That might also explain my issues as I was doing similar testing. It would also explain the different experience with different urls for the Noteself html file.

In my case, I used the developer tools as well. I used the Notself delete first (like you) but when I started experiencing issues, I used the developer tools to delete all the local data associated with the domain. I wonder if there is still some data that can't be deleted by the developer tools.

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Thanks both for your feedback . Thanks Lost Admin for granting me access to your server. As soon as I get a computer with internet connection I'll check

Regards