Tiddlywiki on Hackernews

[RichardWilliamSmith]

In case you are interested, Tiddlywiki is making its yearly visit to the front page of Hacker News right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18107271

Regards,

Richard

[Mark S.]

Some comments from the feed:

That said, the list of literally 20 different  ways of storing your Tiddlywiki data is user-hostile. Don't tell me
that you have a Node server and a PHP server, just give me the easiest way to self-host, how to use Dropbox/Google Drive, or perhaps one more
option. You can include a link to "other options", but don't put them front and center.

 

Tiddlywiki's maintenance cost and learning curve / ability to create notes efficiently and effortlessly is not there to me. I've tried picking it up a dozen times in the last few year. A good notetaking app should get out of your way entirely, and only add a small cost of maintenance for the larger amounts of benefits you reap from it. Everything needs to be visible at a glance, with nothing hiding behind obscurity

             

I looked into Tiddlywiki before but it seemed
 too involved to maintain easily and overkill for my use case.
...

Also I just can’t stand the idea of “tiddlers”.

The main thing that surprised me is that people seem to think that TW is difficult to learn. Yet, the conversation kept getting hijacked to promote Org-mode. Org-mode is great, but ... not at all simple. When I'm using it I have to keep my OM cheat sheet handy.

-- Mark

[Arlen Beiler]

One thing we should add is a notebook theme or plugin that would convert the layout to more of a OneNote/Evernote layout where you can access your notebooks and notes on the left side, and edit them on the right. The sidebar should be moved to either the top right or bottom left and made collapsible by default. We should use the hamburger (aka menu) icon to toggle it. 

Each notebook and note should have a slug which would be the full title of the tiddler and it would be named using slashes like on Wikipedia where there are parent and child pages. So it would look like "Notebook/My Notebook/My Note". We could even have that be an actual lowercase slug and put the real title in a different field. 

It should be made as complete as possible for a note taking layout and only give a cursory nod to the original story river. Perhaps have a button in the sidebar that switches to the story river view. 

I really think the biggest drawback to using TiddlyWiki for notes is using tags instead of prefixes to organize. Because a person can have notes on many different topics and some might have more than one tiddler with the same name. 

Just my two cents.

Arlen

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[TonyM]

Thanks for Sharing Mark,

I am not surprised that its not living up to the notebook idea, "A good notetaking app" blah blah cant achieve half of what TiddlyWiki can, I believe they are riffing off "a non-linear personal web notebook" which it is however as we know it is much more. Perhaps along the line of Arlens comments we need an edition that specifically addresses the "non-linear personal web notebook" more directly. It is too easy with tiddlywiki for it to be understandably criticised, for not meeting someones perception of what it should be, even although it can be almost anything to anyone.

I and Josiah in particular have posted many times about the barrier to tiddlywiki being the complexity that arises by virtue of its vastness and capabilities, and that to resolve this we need to promote more focused solutions for people to be attracted to and discover tiddlywikis power before discovering it many capabilities. If this reviewer was looking for a notebook, and discovered tiddlywiki was a platform and he had to get the notebook edition,  would he/she be criticising it as much?

Tony