Solutions may come forward to make a new tiddlyfox in time, but for now unlikley, There has being a lot of discussion on this because browser makers are adding security that will make it difficult to use a simple file save.
There are dozens of alternatives available. To start consider TiddlyDesktop, tiddlyserver or using firefox Esr extended support release, a portable version is available at portableapps.com
Others may have better answers and your choices will depend on your requirements and expertise.
Always ask for help here if you are stuck but I expect the community will provide some more mature solutions soon.
Personaly I am using tiddlydesktop for my tiddlywiki classic wikis and tiddlyserver for most other single file wikis and some nodejs ones. I also have firefox esr portable app available as a backup.
regards
tony
Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 57 doesn't work. Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new extension? Hope so! Thanks for any helpful info.
You know, there really ought to be a sticky for this topic.
You know, there really ought to be a sticky for this topic.Our ship sails without a captain, it seems.
Firefox is going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 57 doesn't work.
Firefox is going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 57 doesn't work.
With Firefox 57, sharing a TW is officially dead, unless you only want to share with savvy users who can be persuaded to install Pale Moon (plus an extension) or TiddlyServer (yikes).
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I'm using TiddlyWiki classic. When I save an edited TiddlyWiki file using the browser's Ctrl-S shortcut, then close, then reopen the file, I get a message that the file “has been incorrectly saved“.
This happens in Firefox (56.0.1) and Chrome (62.0.3202.62).
What am I doing wrong and/or how can I prevent or rectify the duplication of backstage links and areas?
Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 57 doesn't work. Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new extension? Hope so! Thanks for any helpful info.
Leaving aside workarounds, we lost it all.
So what is the clear long term plan ?
No preference on my own, but at some point I believe we should focus, so what is your thought ?
This said thanks again to developers, and I hope we'll be able to use TW for decades coming !
Regards
Julien
i cant agree, it is still
Standalone or hosted
Multiplatform and device type
Futurproof both internaly and via the community
even Easyer to share
We are just dealing with a transition largely brought about by malware.
The future is rosey.
Great to read we have a (too) many temporary solutions left so we'll survive this time again.
But ... let us strip down this discussion to the very basics.
TW was :
- Standalone
- Multiplatform
- Futurproof
- Easy to share
Leaving aside workarounds, we lost it all.
So what is the clear long term plan ?
- Follow browsers evolution, no extensions needed nor about:config tweaks.
(download saver ?)
- Not follow browsers and embed TW own viewing/editing application.
(Tiddly Desktop, Server ?)
This said thanks again to developers, and I hope we'll be able to use TW for decades coming !
PMario wrote:
The problem is. That it's difficult for newbies to decide what they should use. Or what they need. .... We need to improve this situation.
The future is rosey.
PMario wrote:
The problem is. That it's difficult for newbies to decide what they should use. Or what they need. .... We need to improve this situation.
An issue is, that julien23 raised, is "what is THE mode" (or maybe TWO).
Thank you very much Mario
for me it restores the old datestamped backup feature in the old TW classic
Tested for a few days and so far so good on low memory Firefox =< v 57.0.1 QuantumI've been having issues of data loss with encrypted TW5 files using TiddlyFox, TiddlyChrome and TiddlyServer
Vayira,
Thanks Tony.
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No bloat in tw5 in my view,
I maintain my twc in TiddlyDesktop and links open in the default browser.
Rather than upgrade I am moving from a monolithic twc to multiple tw5s with a high degree of intergration. The tw5 wikis run in the latest FF with local host or IP address using TiddlyServer as host and directory to file and node JS implementations with no saving issues.
In tw5 there are many features you needed plugins for in twc now in the core, there is also much more customisation in an empty tw5 than twc with plugins.
Regards
Tony
Tony
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The bloat is to do with file size. The TW 2.8.1 with 294 tiddlers that I have built up over years takes up only 585k, but an empty TW 5.1 uses 2M. So I'm not going to migrate my day to day TW at all, but I am experimenting with it for a new project, which I was thinking of putting online, but over 2M makes it very slow to download. It is cool to use, but is a huge file.
My old twc has 8000 Tiddlers at 17mb and I expect tw5 to perform better. True this is local access single file only without auto save.
Tony
The bloat is to do with file size. The TW 2.8.1 with 294 tiddlers that I have built up over years takes up only 585k, but an empty TW 5.1 uses 2M. So I'm not going to migrate my day to day TW at all, but I am experimenting with it for a new project, which I was thinking of putting online, but over 2M makes it very slow to download. It is cool to use, but is a huge file.
On 25 December 2017 at 00:01, TonyM <anthony...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fyi
No bloat in tw5 in my view,
I maintain my twc in TiddlyDesktop and links open in the default browser.
Rather than upgrade I am moving from a monolithic twc to multiple tw5s with a high degree of intergration. The tw5 wikis run in the latest FF with local host or IP address using TiddlyServer as host and directory to file and node JS implementations with no saving issues.
In tw5 there are many features you needed plugins for in twc now in the core, there is also much more customisation in an empty tw5 than twc with plugins.
Regards
Tony
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It would be interesting to know what features caused the 4x increase in the core, despite dropping support for Jquery.
On 3 Jan 2018, at 05:49, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:It's unfortunately true that developers often think in terms of state of the art technology.
It would be interesting to know what features caused the 4x increase in the core, despite dropping support for Jquery.
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Because TiddlyDesktop is not a browser and the having TW in a browser tab is so useful.
I think people may be clining onto extensions within Firefox no longer available since around v57, so tiddlydesktop does not have these extensions, however at least some of the former extensions have being re released in firefox.
I sympathise with ff and its extensions but I no longer resort to pre v 57. This is my current usage.
Everyday I use ff timimi, tiddlydesktop, tiddlyserver and bobexe according to the particular need. Typically I use chrome to access single function wikis at a network address including SharePoint hosted.
Regards
Tony
To your point, I am indeed using an even more recent version of Firefox
(68.4.1esr) but that doesn't make the issue any less relevant. Plugin is still
broken and I still can't save changes.
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Yakov.
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I just tried Timimi. Though installation seemed to work (got the "Hello there
/ Have a great day" message) I still get an error message when I try to save
changes to a TW file.
I removed all other TW related plugins to make sure there weren't any
conflicts, but no luck.
Maybe I'm doing this wrong though... how do you save? I'm trying to use the
usual "save changes" links under Admin Tools, should I use something else?
Oh and Yakov, BTW, I tried to post about my saving issues on the TWC list back
in December, but my mail did not go through because the list is set up as a
forum rather than a mailing-list.