Dear Eric: Please ADD TiddlyWikiToolMap to the GG header ...

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TiddlyTweeter

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Apr 21, 2021, 11:01:17 AM4/21/21
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Background: TiddlyWiki Toolmap has grown to be a major go-to resource for both developers & end users. It is widely used and relevant to many, if not most, readers here.

Here is a suggested entry wording ... 
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Jeremy Ruston

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Apr 21, 2021, 2:59:08 PM4/21/21
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Background: TiddlyWiki Toolmap has grown to be a major go-to resource for both developers & end users. It is widely used and relevant to many, if not most, readers here.

Here is a suggested entry wording ... 
At this point it's surely better to link to links.tiddlywiki.com?

Best wishes

Jeremy



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Ray Vermey

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Apr 21, 2021, 3:22:30 PM4/21/21
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Librenote link not found ??

Op wo 21 apr. 2021 om 17:01 schreef TiddlyTweeter <Tiddly...@assays.tv>:

Jeremy Ruston

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Apr 21, 2021, 3:44:16 PM4/21/21
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Librenote link not found ??

Mark is in the process of migrating links from the Toolmap to links.tiddlywiki.com, so perhaps hasn't reached that one yet.

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Jeremy.

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Mat

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Apr 21, 2021, 6:22:25 PM4/21/21
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As hinted, it would be more appropriate to link to the "more official" resource, i.e links which is a community effort, even more so than Daves fantastic contribution.

@Jeremy, for wider general adoption, I think links is ready for some decent colors. We're suckers for optics and shiny surfaces ;-)

<:-)

David Gifford

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Apr 21, 2021, 6:36:08 PM4/21/21
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As the creator of the Toolmap, I second Jeremy's comment. The toolmap has served its purpose well, but the links community site should take its place. I don't plan to shut the Toolmap down, but I might get to the point of not updating it anymore except to add stuff I find useful to me...

TiddlyTweeter

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Apr 23, 2021, 2:51:45 AM4/23/21
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Ciao Jeremy

I'm likely simply out of the loop! :-)

At this point it's surely better to link to links.tiddlywiki.com?

YES.

(But on that, because it is an Official resource, I just assumed you or Eric would automatically ADD it when you considered it ready? 
My bad IF I gave impression ToolMap is the only premium. 
But it is still very useful, until "links" is as full??)

My point was really that we ARE getting better at harvesting resource links. And a lot of that is due to David Gifford's demonstration that it can be done and is very useful.

Anyway, I think my point was to encourage the FLAGGING of major resource pointers in the header to this group.

Best wishes
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TiddlyTweeter

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Apr 23, 2021, 3:01:04 AM4/23/21
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Ciao David (& Mark S.)

David Gifford wrote:
... The toolmap has served its purpose well, but the links community site should take its place. 
I don't plan to shut the Toolmap down, but I might get to the point of not updating it anymore ...

Okay. Understood. I'll shut-up on this!

Anyway the Toolmap is a (new?) testament to a lot of work by you (two?) . 
One thing is that search mechanism on Dynalist is very good indeed. Simple, effective filter.

I haven't really studied "links.tw.com" yet, but hope it has that ease of use too.

Best wishes
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Ray Vermey

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Apr 23, 2021, 8:47:19 AM4/23/21
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Hi Jeremy.

My remark about missing a link was not more than only just that.
A mention, not a judgement.

I went looking there and saw that link did not work.

What i as a beginner do miss is a helping hand in the more advanced features.
How do things work like macro's, where does it all come from?
What do all the $:/ tags do ? What can they be used for?

I also think to have noticed that changing things in a tiddler on the fly is not possible?
Like my suggestion of @fielld:value for instance.
Or @tagname stuff like that.
A pointer to where the information is is enough for me.
Now i am in the woods for a longtime looking for that tree.

So some kind of roadmap from beginner to advanced would be helpful.
For me, that is....

Ray

Op wo 21 apr. 2021 om 21:52 schreef Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com>:
This thread is a good summary of why working in open source is frustrating at a personal level, and why my motivation sometimes hits the ground at high speed.

Earlier this year, I spent several weeks building links.tiddlywiki.com to meet the needs that we had discussed as a community over the years. Mark and several others have subsequently given a lot of time to adding links to the aggregator, and it's now nicely populated. I use it to find stuff every day.

And yet at the end of all of that effort, I'm presented with a suggestion that we promote the Toolmap over the new links aggregator. And then a comment that implies that the links aggregator is deficient because it lacks a particular link.

At times like this it feels like I can't win. Is all that work we've done on the links aggregator invisible? Please can we all try to pull together in the same direction at the same time? Why would you watch people working hard on your behalf and then undermine that work?

I don't usually vent in public, apologies.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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Mark S.

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Apr 23, 2021, 10:06:33 AM4/23/21
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There's about two dozen links that are AWOL. Librenote is one -- it gives a 404 error.  So you would have the same problem with the toolmap. Internally, I've marked problem URLs for research later (that was part of the reason for the request for special system tags). Searching the internet to see if various pages have a new home would be one, exhausting solution. Perhaps I should post a list somewhere so others could comment?

On an individual basis, my source page is hosted on github. So people can post suggestions/errors to my repository and I'll see them (pMario did that). And of course people can always add their own resource page if they want faster fixes.

Thanks!

Mark S.

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Apr 23, 2021, 10:52:53 AM4/23/21
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There were also items in the toolmap that weren't really TiddlyWiki. AsciiDoctor and ANKI for instance. Someone could use them with TiddlyWiki, but then, you could use almost anything with TiddlyWiki ;-)

TiddlyTweeter

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Apr 24, 2021, 2:21:42 AM4/24/21
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Mark S. wrote:
... items in the toolmap that weren't really TiddlyWiki. AsciiDoctor and ANKI for instance. 

Right.  

Focus on "pick-n-go as is" seems right. 
One could explore everything forever, the net being a sub-form of Indra's Net, but end users need direct simple add-ons that work "out-of-the box" for #TiddlyWiki optimal usage.
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