After Midnight...

[Forrest Allen]

Good morning, 

I am seeking any advice or tips for a novice night fisherman. I'll be on water with rainbows, brookies, and some browns this weekend, and want throw a few flies out there to see what I've been missing in the dark shadows at night. 

I am very curious about what flies tend to get a fishes attention at night? Is it necessary to have some sort of hatch in order to get these fish to rise to a dry? Do bigger patterns do more to get fish interested? I've heard of using mouse patterns for browns at night, and matching a hatch for all species, but will the basic flies I use for these fish during the day suffice at night? I expect the standard woolly patterns would do ok... but what about nymphs?

I am reasonably familiar with the stretch of water I want to fish during the night, so I feel comfortable wading to most any spot. Do the fish get more or less spooky at night? Should I approach the water differently? 

Any advice will be much appreciated! I think this info will be a good addition to the blog too - I couldnt find much on night fishing in any one particular thread. 

Forrest

[Yambag Nelson]

I haven;'t done a ton of night fishing but have done some. A few thoughts.  If the river you are fishing has big browns, then definitely try a mouse pattern.  Depnding on how late you plan to fish and where you are fishing, you could encounter a spinner fall.  An example of this would be the coffin flies associated with a green drake hatch that can come down well after dark, particularly if the  weather is very warm.  Mostly though I would think mice or streamers.  A set up of 3 wet flies is sort of the traditional night time rig, but I have honestly not messed with that much but it supposedly works. 

 

I don't know what your nornal daytime flies are but I would generally not bother with that kind of stuff.  If you are going to make the effort to fish at night, i would be chasing big fish which means you want to give them something worth their effort.  I have never heard of anyone nymphing at night as it sort of defeats the purpose. 

 

One other thing is that large browns can come into shallower water at night.  Water that you may not bother with during the day could have fish at night. 

[Danny Barrett]

I'm not much more experienced.  So I cant wait to see what other people add.  Ive found that fish are less spooky. I try and only use red lights and not be in the water much.  The few fish I've caught were up near the banks on mouse flies or streaamers, on a 25lb leader.  Its easier to get flies back from trees with heavier line.

 

Best of luck and tight lines,

Dan Barrett

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[Carl Z.]

If you can find a copy of Jim Bashline's "Night Fishing for Trout" it would be worth a read.

There are limited hatches, though there are spinner falls.  The whitefly hatch on the YellowBreeches and the Hex hatch in Michigan are the two night hatches I can think of.  Otherwise, big topwater for big browns or streamers.

I don't have a lot of experience because you have to be pretty comfortable in both the river and your casting.  Check your leader often for knots.

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[Andrew LaVigne]

Growing up, used to fish in Northern Michigan every summer a bit, and we tried doing the hex thing a couple times. Definitely recommend it. 

Silt-bottom stretches in coldwater streams get the best hatches, but they blow up all over the place. If you're in northern Michigan (like on the AuSable or Manistee), it's not complete dark until almost 10:30pm. You're standing out there in a muck-bottom stream, hearing coyotes yipping & owls & maybe seeing some bats overhead, and all of the sudden you start hearing splashes that sound like somebody dropped a rock, and you can feel these slow buzzes passing your face. The bugs seem like they're the size of a goddamned hummingbird, and they are slow, awkward flyers. The fishing is about short casts, based on sound & whatever you can remember the surrounding area looked like, and trying to time out the risers. You still have to be reasonably accurate with the pattern, but when you're throwing size 6 mayflies, it's easy to pick the pattern. 

The Michigan & Wisconsin guys seem to be into night fishing later in the summer- almost all with mouse patterns; there's also some folks that hit tailwaters in the Ozarks like Taneycomo, chucking big heavy streamers into shallower water than they usually would. 

I think the general theme of night fishing seems to be "throw meat".  

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 8:55:49 AM UTC-4, Forrest Allen wrote:

[Forrest Allen]

So I gave the night fishing a shot... and it is not easy. 

I didn't have a red light on my head lamp, so every time I turned it on I was swarmed by bugs - like could barely keep my eyes open swarmed. There was heavy cloud cover so no moonlight to help guide me. Thus, I did not cover much ground or water. I knew where some trout were holding from the previous evening so I pretty much focused on one spot. Going elsewhere likely would have been a disaster.

I tried a couple wooly buggers, and a few larger dries for about 40 minutes total before I got too fed up and went to watch an incredible light show of lightnin bugs on the edge of a thicket nearby. I waited out the darkness and resumed normal vision fishing at first light - much more my style. 

BUT, I managed to land one in the dark! A golden that was obviously stocked at some point (I cant imagine any native goldens exist in VA), but a nice fish all the same. 

[namfos]

In parts of PA those are called "palomino" trout. I think they're a hatchery genetic cross of some sort.

Mark

[Scott Stankus]

I'm glad someone else has heard this term! I grew up hearing it (in PA), and used it recently in Wisconsin (where they call them Golden Trout), and no one knew what I was talking about. 

According to the PA Fish & Boat Commission, they're "golden rainbow trout"

http://www.fishandboat.com/images/pages/qa/fish/trout_golden.htm

--Scott

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:44 AM, namfos <mark....@gmail.com> wrote:

In parts of PA those are called "palomino" trout. I think they're a hatchery genetic cross of some sort.

Mark

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Palomino are explained in this book: 

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[tperkins]

Great book!

On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4, Rob Snowhite wrote:

Palomino are explained in this book: 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 25, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Scott Stankus <ssta...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm glad someone else has heard this term! I grew up hearing it (in PA), and used it recently in Wisconsin (where they call them Golden Trout), and no one knew what I was talking about. 

According to the PA Fish & Boat Commission, they're "golden rainbow trout"

http://www.fishandboat.com/images/pages/qa/fish/trout_golden.htm

--Scott

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:44 AM, namfos <mark....@gmail.com> wrote:

In parts of PA those are called "palomino" trout. I think they're a hatchery genetic cross of some sort.

Mark

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[TurbineBlade]

I also recommend "An entirely symthetic planet" while you're at it.  

Gene

[Ashley Frohwein]

I've heard them called albino rainbow trout and golden trout. It's probably not accurate, but I use the former.

[Danny Barrett]

WV has the palomino trout to.  Personally I have fun watching them if they have been in the wild a while.  I always find browns and bows around them.  But its easier to watch how the golden's react to changing weather and hatches. 

Thanks,

Dan Barrett

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[Matthew Longley]

Golden trout are an entirely different thing, and are one of the most beautiful trout out there (google some pictures).

Palomino's are genetic mutations from hatchery rainbow that get thrown in for fun. There is a palomino on the north fork (near the huge calvert bank) that must be 10 pounds that you can see from a few hundred yards when the light is right. Amazing to me any of these fish live longer than a day without becoming eagle breakfast.

On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-4, Danny Barrett wrote:

WV has the palomino trout to.  Personally I have fun watching them if they have been in the wild a while.  I always find browns and bows around them.  But its easier to watch how the golden's react to changing weather and hatches. 

Thanks,

Dan Barrett

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Scott Stankus <ssta...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm glad someone else has heard this term! I grew up hearing it (in PA), and used it recently in Wisconsin (where they call them Golden Trout), and no one knew what I was talking about. 

According to the PA Fish & Boat Commission, they're "golden rainbow trout"

http://www.fishandboat.com/images/pages/qa/fish/trout_golden.htm

--Scott

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:44 AM, namfos <mark....@gmail.com> wrote:

In parts of PA those are called "palomino" trout. I think they're a hatchery genetic cross of some sort.

Mark

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[namfos]

True enough.

Mark

[Forrest Allen]

I know them as palomino's too, but figured that name was more appropriate for a natural one in the mountains of California or something. I also wondered how these fish were not picked up by Eagles... they are so visible from so far away. 

Here's one I caught in the daylight. Such a crazy color.. especially the red eye. 

[namfos]

Might steal that pic for my FB page. ;-)

Mark