Floating-Intermediate LIne?

[Barracuda]

Has anyone used something like Rio's Outbound intermediate line where only the head (35-40 feet) is intermediate while the running is floating line? They argue it's easier to mend and swing with the floating running line. Just curious if anyone has any experience with that, or whether the full intermediate line works better in our tidal Potomac environment.

[TurbineBlade]

No but I use a teeny bs100 sometimes. It's a spliced sh line with a floating running line. Work well and having a floating running line works well for wading. I would picture a intermediate head + floating running line as being about as useful as a floater.

[TurbineBlade]

Meant to say NOT much more useful than a floater.

[Nedak]

I have swapped out floating line for intermediate on my 7wt.  I find it more versatile in the fishing that I do w. the 7wt-Potomac, inshore saltwater.  I am able to keep it high in the water column if needed by stripping faster-had a popper on in Fl and just retrieved it a bit faster and the action was fine. 

It loads the rod faster, shoots easier and I can cast it much further.  If I go bone fishing or really skinny water, will switch back to floater but for now this is my setup.

[John Mathews]

I use all types of line but a full Int. is my all around favorite.  I've cast and fished some sink tips from a tip of a few feet to the full head of 30 feet.  You are correct that it is easier to mend  the line in a current BUT currents in the column are not even with the surface flowing faster than the current on the bottom.  The line drag can get to be beyond a mend depending on how deep you're fishing with the fly following the line by many feet.  In a situation where there is limited  or no current a sink tip works well.

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-5, Barracuda wrote:

[TurbineBlade]

A full intermediate line is your favorite fly fishing line?  Oh God, that sounds so painful.  Are you from Florida?  South Carolina?  

The full intermediate may be my most hated fly line -- the damn thing doesn't float or sink.  And the "retrieve sequence" basically goes "Not sinking....not sinking, this sucks.  Okay the fly is coming back to me and it's kind of sinking a little more than the fly.....now the line is dragging the bottom, rubbing its coating off and the fly is still a few inches above bottom....but I can't feel anything because there isn't a straight line between my hand and the fly, is something biting?  Okay, now I'll roll it up and the fly is stuck on my boot.  Awesome, this was totally worth 79 bucks". 

Gene

[D. Walker]

gene, I like you exact price on the fly line hahaha

[arthur noglak]

Gene

I have had luck with intermediate lines fishing the shore line of lake Erie for various species. I want the fly/line to sink just a few inches per second to keep it under the chop/waves but off the shallow bottom that is littered with weeds. The hydraulics 6 inches below the surface is drastically different from that on the surface. The intermediate line prevents the waves from pushing the line toward me and creating slack resulting in missed strikes or poor fly movement. The fact that it is clear (at least in my mind) makes it harder for the fish to see.

Mabey its just a confidence thing or mabey its all in my head but I love em !

Oh ya I got mine for 59 bucks ha ha!

Art

[TurbineBlade]

Art - you responded very logically to my idiotic comment.  

You're alright!  

;)

Gene

[TurbineBlade]

I was also going to note that the marketing name "Outbound" is misleading, suggesting that to catch fish you must cast far away from yourself.  They should probably make a "Rio - Mostly around your feet" fly line (or for the surf fly fishermen, a "Rio - They're all behind you, you fool" fly line).  

The main reason fly line companies sell shooting head fly lines is to save plastic by selling you more running line.  It's a scheme.  

Gene

[arthur noglak]

Gene,

Although I agree that you dont necessarily have to cast far to catch fish I would also like to make a case for lines like the Rio Outbound or the Orvis ignitor. I think the idea with these lines is that you can get a fly to the target faster. In my experience these lines help you pick up and shoot the line faster with less false casting, less effort and less line outside the rod tip. In situations were casting alot of line behind you is difficult theses types of lines can make all The difference. Bulky flies are also easier to over in my experience with these tapers. There is no doubt that standard wt forward lines are the most virsitial and will work just fine most of the time. However I do think that these lines have a place in my arsenal. I dont think I can cast them any further that a regular line however ha ha.

Art

[John Mathews]

Here in the Lowcountry of SC, if you're wading the marsh for reds and are not casting WF shooting heads at least one weight over your rod weight, you will miss a lot of fish due to false casting and the nearness of the fish to you.  All my rods are over weighted by two weights.

Art

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[arthur.noglak]

And so the overline vs underline thread, in all its glory begins yet again !!!

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[Rob Snowhite]

Over lining is like wearing shoes.....

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[John Mathews]

Did not realize that I was creating a new thread, just the way I and most others fish reds here in the marshes of the Lowcountry.  If you're making 60 to 80 foot cast with the entire head of the line out of the rod tip along with 20 more feet of line,  it probably does not matter if you're underlined.  Tight lines

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[arthur.noglak]

Jhon, 

I understand perfectly what you mean. I was just cracking a joke of sorts in reference to a very long and much debateed thread topic   regarding overlining and underlining rods that we recently had on the forum. The conversation led to some pretty interesting experiments with little lines on big rods down at Fletchers ha ha!

Art

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[arthur noglak]

Check out a post from a few weeks back called ironicly enough called " Noob line choices"

A beginner posted a simple question politely asking the group what line to put on his 5 wt rod. The poor fellow whas then bombarded with the most advance line debate I have ever had the privilege of reading. Complete with graphs and feild studies. I bet the poor dude gave up fly fishing shortly afterwards saying these people are out of their minds lol.

[DaveSurfs]

Thanks for the concern Art, but as the author of that "polite post," such a bet would likely cost you a cold beverage. I'm still here, still trying to learn and genuinely appreciate the feedback (both concise and verbose!). 

That some folks seemed to have overachieved in their answers is fine with me. As the Noob in question, I'm happy to learn from folks who obviously invested a great deal of time in developing their opinions.

While I may apply a far simpler calculus to my line choice, it's clear folks care about helping, and that's what makes this forum great!

Hope all else is well, and a warmer Thanksgiving weekend gives folks a chance to get out and get some tight lines!

Best Regards,

Dave

PS: Thanks to Rich Farino (who answered my original post) and Allan Short for their help today while I was in the store at Urban Angler, Alexandria

[arthur.noglak]

Dave,

Sometimes I let my cynicism get the best of me ha ha. I owe you drink at the next beer tie! Im glad that you decided to buy locally and that Richie got you sorted out. He is a very knowledgeable guy. 

What line did you end going with?

Art 

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[Dave DiEugenio]

Hey Art, thanks for the offer of a beer. Rich has me going for the Rio Gold. He's making it very easy for my wife to get Christmas Shopping right!

Tight Lines!

Dave

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