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TurbineBlade

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Aug 17, 2013, 4:43:01 PM8/17/13
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Hello -- I just picked up a couple of inflatable kayaks (advanced elements) to use for fishing.  After spending most of the morning in the maiden voyage, I quickly realized that a 9' rod is pretty difficult to managed from the seated position. 

For you guys who fly fish from a kayak frequently:  Do you tend to use a 7-8' rod versus the standard 9'?  

Oh, and we had a blast out there.  Caught some crappie, bluegill, bass and a catfish I was able to sight fish and hook -- very fun.  Beth hooked into a MONSTER gar, but he shook his head and threw the hook ;).  

Gene

Steve F

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Aug 17, 2013, 10:57:38 PM8/17/13
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I like a longer rod to help keep my amateur backcast off the water.  Tho, the long rods do present an issue when trying to manage larger fish at close range - can result in broken tips if you're not careful.  I was speaking to the guys at Keeper's in St Michaels about it a while back and they had custom built rods specifically for kayaks on 7-8ft glass blanks.  They were super flexible, very durable, and the shorter length cuts down on weight - all great things in a yak.  I haven't tried one myself, but the theory seems sound.  The only drawback I see would be casting distance which in some scenarios can be key from a kayak.  

Eric Y.

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Aug 18, 2013, 1:29:50 AM8/18/13
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I've not had much trouble with a 9' rod, it just takes some practice and is much less forgiving for your back cast height and line speed compared to wading in shallow water. That said, I think a longer rod is probably what would be most appropriate. The classic float tube rods are all pretty much 10'.

Steve

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Aug 18, 2013, 7:22:53 AM8/18/13
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Gene,
I don't have any experience with the Advanced Elements boats, but generally going with a longer rod is preferred for casting, especially sitting so low in a kayak.  On the other hand, managing a longer rod, line, net, fly boxes, mini-bar and cooler, camera, phone, radio, PFD, binoculars, shoes, paddle….it's a mess.  Stowing or casting, fly rodding from a kayak continues to be steep learning curve for me.  This is how Carl at kayakflyguy practices casting from his kayak (photo below).   I prefer my 9ft 7wt most of the time, but have used longer switch rods, shorter stream rods, and even a Tenkara from kayaks and canoes. - Steve


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peter odell

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Aug 18, 2013, 7:38:16 AM8/18/13
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I have a tandem Advanced Elements inflatable and really like the convenience of using it as a single or double depending on the seat configuration.  I use a 10' Echo 6wt (2 of them), and casting them is quite good and you'll improve as you go...Line management and all the other small space stuff a pain, but worth it the ease of use.  I am getting ready to tape over several strap ends and rod holders to that the fly line doesn't catch when casting. 

Nedak

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Aug 18, 2013, 9:09:39 AM8/18/13
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I have been saltwater fishing from my kayak in the Delaware Bay this summer.  I am using a 9ft 9wt with full sinking line.  The beauty of the kayak is you can get stealthily close to the desired fish location so very lengthy casts are not necessarily required.   In my setup I have found a water loaded back cast is all that is required to get the line out.

My kayak is short 9foot SOT.  I rigged it the following:  milk crate bungie corded to back.  Took PVC pipe and make 2 rod holders, making a slot to slide the fly rod + small bungie to hold in place while in motion, anchoring system consisting of large dog walking retractable leash with weight attached to where dog collar would go, extra line and carabiner for future unknown purpose.

It has served me pretty well so far landing a bunch of croakers and a few sea trout.

Regarding a shorter rod, I used my 8ft 5wt and found it to be tougher as most have mentioned because from the kayak you so close to the water.

Dubble Haul

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Aug 18, 2013, 11:23:57 AM8/18/13
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In my SOT, I also keep a large microfiber camp towel spread it out on the deck under me, or in my lap, to pile flyline on. It helps prevent hang ups and tangles, and I can use it to mop up water or cover my bare legs to prevent sunburn. I often roll one up wet and place it on the front edge of my deck to cushion my rod, and dampen noise. I've  used it as an expedient sail and to cover fish I might keep. Also, I chucked my coil paddle leash, tends to tangle with the flyline.   - Steve
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Eric Y.

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Aug 18, 2013, 12:06:18 PM8/18/13
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For line management, I found that it is a lot easier to just lay a towel across your lap rather than covering up every possible snag. In the heat, I'll also dunk it and it'll keep me cool laying in my lap. I also use the same towel to wipe sweat off, clean my hands of fish slime, etc. Very practical and multifunctional if you're a dirtbag like me who doesn't mind wiping his face with a towel that stinks of ladyfish slime and has been dunked in a backwater marsh. 


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In my SOT, I also keep a large microfiber camp towel spread it out on the deck under me, or in my lap, to pile flyline on. It helps prevent hang ups and tangles, and I can use it to mop up water or cover my bare legs to prevent sunburn. I often roll one up wet and place it on the front edge of my deck to cushion my rod, and dampen noise. I've  used it as an expedient sail and to cover fish I might keep. Also, I chucked my coil paddle leash, tends to tangle with the flyline.   - Steve

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I have been saltwater fishing from my kayak in the Delaware Bay this summer.  I am using a 9ft 9wt with full sinking line.  The beauty of the kayak is you can get stealthily close to the desired fish location so very lengthy casts are not necessarily required.   In my setup I have found a water loaded back cast is all that is required to get the line out.

My kayak is short 9foot SOT.  I rigged it the following:  milk crate bungie corded to back.  Took PVC pipe and make 2 rod holders, making a slot to slide the fly rod + small bungie to hold in place while in motion, anchoring system consisting of large dog walking retractable leash with weight attached to where dog collar would go, extra line and carabiner for future unknown purpose.

It has served me pretty well so far landing a bunch of croakers and a few sea trout.

Regarding a shorter rod, I used my 8ft 5wt and found it to be tougher as most have mentioned because from the kayak you so close to the water.



On Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:43:01 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
Hello -- I just picked up a couple of inflatable kayaks (advanced elements) to use for fishing.  After spending most of the morning in the maiden voyage, I quickly realized that a 9' rod is pretty difficult to managed from the seated position. 

For you guys who fly fish from a kayak frequently:  Do you tend to use a 7-8' rod versus the standard 9'?  

Oh, and we had a blast out there.  Caught some crappie, bluegill, bass and a catfish I was able to sight fish and hook -- very fun.  Beth hooked into a MONSTER gar, but he shook his head and threw the hook ;).  

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Michael Smith

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Aug 18, 2013, 1:31:16 PM8/18/13
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I don't seen to have a problem with line management in my kayak.  I have a Moken 14 with a platform to stand up on in front of the seat, so there is a nice flat spot in between my knees to stack line.




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HeaveToo

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Aug 18, 2013, 2:40:25 PM8/18/13
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I fish with a 9' 8weight rod from my kayak most of the time.  I don't have issues with the rod when it comes to storage and other things.  I have a Maxxon Kaymen inflatable kayak that is a single or a double.

One thing that I have learned is that kayak position when you are fishing is very important and it helps to keep the bow pointed at where you are casting.  This helps with line management and rod management. 

I have taken two rods with me in the past.  I have also considered making a rod holder that would mount into the kayak.  I do have a depth finder that I made work for the kayak.

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Aug 18, 2013, 4:03:27 PM8/18/13
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Speaking of kayaks...any recommendations for kayaks that are suited for stand up casting. I plan on using the yak for floating down from widewater and below. Also, is it "easy" to paddle back up the potomac from below widewater?
Thank you in advance!

Michael Smith

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Aug 18, 2013, 4:08:56 PM8/18/13
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I usually cast to 11 o clock, it makes stripping that much easier, although ultimately it depends on current.  Maybe the better thing to say is that I cast so I can retrieve at 11.

An anchor trolley helps keep you in position.  It's a pulley system so that you can move your anchor to the front or back of the yak and position yourself to cast forward.

For mounts, there are a couple attachment types: Scotty, Ram, and rail.  I have Scotty mounts everywhere, and their flyrod holder works pretty well.  

My yak has rails on the sides and a sliding mount that you put a regular mount base on.  That way you can move the mount up and down the rails instead of worrying about if you got it right when you cut holes in the plastic.

However, when I first rigged up the rail system, I didn't have any stainless steel screwed handy so I used zip ties to connect the sliding mount to the Scotty mount.  It worked awesome for the freshwater fish that I was catching at home (I live on a 55-acre fishing lake in Massachusetts) but when I took it on the ocean and hooked into a striper, the mount started to shake and the zip ties went the way of the flesh.  Although to be honest, I laughed for a month because "well, that didn't work like I thought it would..."

My yak came with 2 regular rod tubes behind the seat at an angle.  Scotty sells a gimbal adapter that slides into the rod tubes to give you an extra mount base.  I screwed off the top of the adapter and then screwed a flyrod holder directly to that.  It's more stable/strong because I removed 2 intermediate pieces.  This setup works great for trolling with a flyrod.

There is a flag and light combination called a VisiCarbon Pro that fits into a mount.  I stuck mine into a flush-mounted Scotty mount behind and to the left of my seat so that it doesn't interfere with casting.







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Michael Smith

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Aug 18, 2013, 4:13:51 PM8/18/13
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Check out stripersonline forums or kayakangler reviews.  I have a Moken and I love it except for getting parts like a rudder.




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Eric Y.

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My favorite way to cast form a kayak is to sit side-saddle with my feet in the water, both hanging over the same side. It doesn't work for every situation, but when it goes, it is great.


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Check out stripersonline forums or kayakangler reviews.  I have a Moken and I love it except for getting parts like a rudder.



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Speaking of kayaks...any recommendations for kayaks that are suited for stand up casting.  I plan on using the yak for floating down from widewater and below.  Also, is it "easy" to paddle back up the potomac from below widewater?
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Brendan

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i prefer a 9' 7wt.... tend to get annoyed w/ lack of range casting anything shorter/flimsier when forced to shoot from the sitting position. 



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TurbineBlade

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Aug 19, 2013, 5:44:14 AM8/19/13
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Thank you for all the advice!

I did find it harder to cast, and I also had problems getting my line looped around the right-side paddle straps!  I'm going to cut those off and tape over the stub I think....  It almost felt like trying to learn casting again after I accidentally dumped a baskcast that I haven't done since I started fly fishing.  It's hard to use your good stroke and haul like you do when standing.  Water boarding (water hauling, lobbing, whatever -) works pretty well, and it was so much easier to get to my fishing spots I still think there's an advantage to it.  I might even just use the kayak to get to wading spots a low tide.  We have those mushroom anchors and mostly plan to fish in still water and extremely slow flows (like Roaches).  

I hate fly fishing in any real measurable current from a vessel. It sucks and kills my enjoyment.  Again though, maybe I'll just figure out a way to anchor myself at various spots and just wade fish those areas. 

I guess I'll continue with my 9' 8-weight -- it worked fairly well.   I'm a little nervous about hooking something bigger and having it run under the kayak....but I guess I'd just toss the rod to the side and grab the fly line by hand.....I'd rather break the fish off than the rod tip.  

Gene

Eric Y.

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Aug 19, 2013, 9:57:12 PM8/19/13
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Get on a good smallmouth or trout river and you'll get over the fishing in current thing. A slow current is really on your side if you're dead drifting flies or working a shoreline. It just takes a little getting used to. 

HeaveToo

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Aug 20, 2013, 10:50:07 AM8/20/13
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The real fun in hooking a big one in the kayak is going for a Nantucket Sleigh ride!  I have a few drag me a little.

Fishing current is not a problem.  You can also use backeddies to "park" your kayak.  Still, as I have said in the past, it is 100% boat positioning.  Learning how to position  the kayak for how you are fishing from it is paramount. 

Steve F

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Aug 20, 2013, 11:11:37 AM8/20/13
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I had never fished with a drag anchor prior to a new kayak purchase a few months ago.  It's an absolute game changer for fishing in current.  The ability to maintain a constant orientation in most wind conditions and the ability to slow-crawl downstream allows me cover the water like never before.  Between that and a stand-up kayak, it's an entirely different experience.

Art Friedlander

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Aug 20, 2013, 11:29:43 AM8/20/13
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Can you [and others] provide some more information about the drag anchor?


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I had never fished with a drag anchor prior to a new kayak purchase a few months ago.  It's an absolute game changer for fishing in current.  The ability to maintain a constant orientation in most wind conditions and the ability to slow-crawl downstream allows me cover the water like never before.  Between that and a stand-up kayak, it's an entirely different experience.
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Steve F

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Aug 20, 2013, 11:56:40 AM8/20/13
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Sorry, drag chain, not really an anchor.  It's just a section of heavy chain (I use about 18") to slow your progression downstream by dragging across the bottom.  Wrapping the chain in duct tape keeps it quiet in the water.  It shouldn't be used in any currents faster than a walk or so.  Made that mistake and got hung up in some swift water, not fun.  I'd also be careful using it (or not at all) during spawning seasons for obvious reasons.

Michael Smith

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Aug 20, 2013, 12:07:53 PM8/20/13
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It's just a heavy something on a rope that slows down your movement as it drags across the bottom.  Most folks use 1-2 pounds of chain or a window sash weight.  Some folks rig them up with dog leash retractors so you can pull up the drag anchor quickly.  Another technique is the drift sock, which is an underwater umbrella that slows down your drift.


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Dubble Haul

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Aug 20, 2013, 6:59:59 PM8/20/13
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I wrapped chain with black duct tape. Put a small zip-tie on one end for a loop, then clip my retractable dog leash system to it. 

Dubble Haul

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Aug 20, 2013, 7:06:54 PM8/20/13
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I will add that I don't use one in fast water. The can be quite dangerous or just a pain to use. A quick release is recommended, or a bladed escape tool at the ready. 

TurbineBlade

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Aug 20, 2013, 9:01:04 PM8/20/13
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For sure -- I wouldn't want to have to cut a rope in a split second to save my bacon....carrying a knife is something I almost always do, but the idea that I'd actually be able to reach it in time sounds not so good to me......kind of like welding without a face shield with the idea that I'd just "turn my head" if some sparks started shooting out ;).  

 Beth picked up a couple of pretty neat PFDs with fishing tackle compartments....making me much more likely to use it.  I figure this is probably a good thing.  

Still trying to figure out the anchor system.  Again, I appreciate the wisdom!  I really enjoy peaceful, slack areas so I'm thinking a 3-pound dumbell weight with a rope that I could sit on would probably work for my needs (not that I'll do that, just describing) - I'll probably just work out something with those climbing hook things and clamps to contain the extra rope.  

I went out and did some casting this evening from a sitting position as alluded to earlier ^^.  It was a little easier that I recall on the water, but that's almost always the case ;).  I'm sure I'll get used to it.  

Gene

Eric Y.

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Aug 20, 2013, 9:12:24 PM8/20/13
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Gene,

CRKT and Gerber both make safe-to-use knives (i.e. no real point) specifically for river-use that are designed to be worn on the PDF. I just leave mine on there. Look at Bear Claws and River Shorty. But note that these are knives with a specific use - don't pull them out to spread peanut butter or trim the tag off your fly, you will wear out the piece which holds the knife in the sheath and risk losing it. I wore a Bear Claw out like this. My replacement Bear Claw has left the sheath maybe twice. 

Vic Velasco

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Aug 20, 2013, 9:32:00 PM8/20/13
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The depth of the water also matters if you are going to use a drag chain tied on to a dog leash.  If the leash isn't long enough, you will just be suspending the chain and still drift with the current.

If you are going to be in deeper water, you may want to use 550 cord in sufficient  length, or move to a shallower spot.

I tried using my drag chain/dog leash setup while paddling out above Fletcher's - in the middle of the river, I wasn't dragging the chain.  I moved closer to the banks and then I was fine.

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Steve

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Aug 20, 2013, 11:32:24 PM8/20/13
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Gene, You are right.   Fact is, even with the cool gadgets, I figure that I might not be able to hack the line off fast enough anyway, so I don't use anchors except in still or slow water, PERIOD.   For years now I have studied the hole anchor thing, trolleys, drag anchors…I use this system now almost everywhere: https://waywardangler.com/fly-fishing-from-a-kayak/  EXCEPT in fast current.   

Dan Davala  used to credit me with the idea of a  dog leash, but the truth is I picked up on the idea from some obscure forum a long time ago on the internet.  When this TPFR first started, very few of us were using kayaks on the river. We made a lot of mistakes and I for one learned this: kayaks aren't really set up for anchors, or sails for that matter.    If you've seen the Master and Commander film, the ship looses its mast and the weight of the rig trailing behind the boat in the high sees (lines still attached to the ship) threatened to sink the boat.  The same thing happened to me on the Upper Potomac, and once on a lake in the swells of a speed boat.  Anchoring a kayak as a dive platform, the reason for the SOT design initially, is very different than for a angler who needs to be very mobile.  The kayak sea anchors are suited for divers, not anglers in my opinion.  

Using a dog leash, get the longest you can find (25ft) and never lock it.  the boat will drift back and forth, the line will extend and draw itself back in.  If you need to anchor in deeper water, think about it first, where a PFD and paddle with a buddy.  If you are paddling the upper Potomac, think about using natural features to ground your boat, a rock, shallow gravel bed, sand bar, weeds.  In fact, I leave the anchor below deck on fast water (defined by my comfort level, which is "difficult to stand in").   

I have SOTs and will often use an old ski pole as a tie out pole, or driven down through the scupper into the river/lake bottom. Works great and doubles as a wading staff when you want to get out of the boat, which I do often.   

If you go with an anchor, I would highly recommend a neoprene coated 3 lb weight (Walmart) and 2 sections of 18 to 20 inches of chain wrapped in duct tape, each should have a break away zip tie, something light duty that will break off with force.  I would stay away from any other "kayak" anchors.  These boats are so light, they don't need much to hold them.  the dumbbell will hold the best, but drag up vegetation more than the chain when you retrieve it.  The chain will drag a bit in the wind and light current, and so I will sometimes add the second chain length.  If the wind is still dragging me, it's probably too windy to fish anyway (we're talking 20 knots on open "still" water).  

Anyway, my two cents.  

Steve





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Art Friedlander

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Aug 21, 2013, 8:58:22 AM8/21/13
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Thanks for all the advice.  I think I'll try the chain setup.


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TurbineBlade

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Aug 21, 2013, 9:41:59 AM8/21/13
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Steve -- I assume you mean 2 separate anchors:  the neoprene dumbell and the chain (or double chain).  

Not that you'd combine these two right?  

That makes sense -- in most places I fish the chain alone would probably suffice.  Like I said earlier, I don't like fishing in current and I have no interest in tipping over due to some bizarre anchor and rope mishap.  I don't even want an elevated heart rate while I'm out there, unless it's a fish ;).  I'm too lazy and....probably too dumb to know what to do if  that happened, so I'll just avoid it and leave the huge blue catfish and stripers on the upper Potomac to the spey guys and the crazy people.  Or the crazy, spey people.  

Kayak fly fishing  the upper Potomac looks like a young man's game to me, and I had a receding hairline in high school ;).  

Gene

Brad

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Aug 21, 2013, 9:46:17 AM8/21/13
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I love my drag chains for my canoe. I have three pieces that I can clip on the end of the anchor line and instead of duct tape, I drop each section in an old piece of innertube. I use the whole system from the stern using a commercial anchor management pulley system. In slill water, it is enough to stop me and comes up with less debris than a mushroom or grappling anchor.

I will also reiterate: Do not use in fast water. If you use a drag anchor you will have incidents, no matter what speed the water is. It will hang under a rock or limb and will jerk you stern downwards. I have never had the stern go under, but it has been close. That is a risk you run, no matter the speed of the water, but the risk goes up the faster the water moves. For instance on my favorite float, I won't use the drag anchor at all if the river is over 2.5' at Point of Rocks.

Nobody should be on the water without a knife. I rank a knife right up there with a PFD. I won't wade without a knife either. Get a serrated one with a blunt tip. Many manufacturers make whitewater specific blades. If you find that too scary, carry a rescue tool. They are a small hooked shaped tool, usually with a couple of finger holes. they are meant to be clipped to a life jacket or belt. The blade hooks around the rope and cuts all the way through with very little effort. The one I have is about the size of a deck of cards and 1/4" thick. It will go through 1/2" rope like butter. It will cut all the way through a seatbelt with a slight tug.
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Matthew Longley

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Aug 21, 2013, 10:45:37 AM8/21/13
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Gene, not sure if I misread your previous note, but DO NOT use a climbing hook or something like that.  It will get stuck, and you'll lose it, guaranteed.  The only question is whether it will take you over or not.

Was on my buddy's kayak and the mushroom anchor got stuck, and we got hit with a nasty cross current, and almost flipped in the middle of the potomac.  We actually took in water as I grabbed the rope and fumbled for my knife to cut it off.  I only use round anchors now, usually just a rock tied up with some 550 paracord.

Charlie Church

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Aug 21, 2013, 11:57:44 AM8/21/13
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A lot of good info can be found on kayak fishing on www.kayakkevin.com

Reading that site got me into kayak fishing (as well as probably most of the tidewater area).

Gene,
Dont be afraid to tangle with some of the rivers around here either. I personally don't bring a drag chain/anchor on river trips...and Steve F will outfish me in many spots along the river where it helps him out. That said, a kayak will greatly expand the spots you fish on some of these rivers. Just be cautious of water levels, and what lies ahead of you on your float

TurbineBlade

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Aug 21, 2013, 12:27:17 PM8/21/13
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Sure Charlie -- one that I've done 2X now is the SF shenandoah.  Honestly, I don't even like the "easy" rapids there for the most part...though I like them better in a kayak than a canoe.  

I'll probably use it to get to wading spots along the route more than fishing from the kayak.

Thanks again everyone!  

Gene

Steve

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Aug 21, 2013, 6:04:48 PM8/21/13
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Gene, LOL on the young man's game comment. I don't combine them.

I like this thread! I'm learning a lot from the other guys. That Jackson kayak pic in one of the posts was pretty SICK! I want one. Who's boat is that? It looks like a fish'n machine.

On Aug 21, 2013, at 9:41 AM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve -- I assume you mean 2 *separate* anchors: the *neoprene dumbell*and the
> *chain (or double chain*).
>
> Not that you'd combine these two right?
>
> That makes sense -- in most places I fish the chain alone would probably
> suffice. Like I said earlier, I don't like fishing in current and I have
> no interest in tipping over due to some bizarre anchor and rope mishap. I
> don't even want an elevated heart rate while I'm out there, unless it's a
> fish ;). I'm too lazy and....probably too dumb to know what to do if that
> happened, so I'll just avoid it and leave the huge blue catfish and
> stripers on the upper Potomac to the spey guys and the crazy people. Or
> the crazy, spey people.
>
> Kayak fly fishing the upper Potomac looks like a *young man's game* to me,
> and I had a receding hairline in high school ;).
>
> Gene
>
> On Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:43:01 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
>>
>> Hello -- I just picked up a couple of inflatable kayaks (advanced
>> elements) to use for fishing. After spending most of the morning in the
>> maiden voyage, I quickly realized that a 9' rod is pretty difficult to
>> managed from the seated position.
>>
>> For you guys who fly fish from a kayak frequently: Do you tend to use a
>> 7-8' rod versus the standard 9'?
>>
>> Oh, and we had a blast out there. Caught some crappie, bluegill, bass and
>> a catfish I was able to sight fish and hook -- very fun. Beth hooked into
>> a MONSTER gar, but he shook his head and threw the hook ;).
>>
>> Gene
>>
>
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Michael Smith

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You talking about my yak pic?  It's a Feelfree Moken 14 but with the camp job it could be mistaken for a Jackson.  It is much awesome.  It's made for blue water, and I take it about once/week around Deer Island, Joppa Flats, Nahant, and pretty much all around the Noahth Shoah.  I went out into Boston Harbor channel and fished with the serious boats once, but fighting the rip was tough, and even with all the "don't crush me Me Powerboater" gear on, it's a little intimidating.





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Dubble Haul

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Aug 21, 2013, 10:15:21 PM8/21/13
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Very cool boat, Mike

Brendan

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Aug 26, 2013, 7:07:46 PM8/26/13
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been said several times but if you're using an anchor, especially in moving water -- have a sharp/capable knife at the ready.  some of the time i'm able to dive down and recover, but don't build up an emotional attachment especially on the upper potomac. 

having used a variety of techniques i usually bring an anchor for the deep holes, but i prefer clipping the canoe to my belt or around my shoulder as i wade. this time of year the weed beds also make pretty good temp anchors. 

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