Bring a bite tippet when you're trout fishing the Patuxent

[Chris Zogby]

Fished a nice looking run below the Brighton Dam and hooked several of these guys.

[Chris Zogby]

Opps.  Here's the pic.

[Scott Stankus]

Huh. Who knew? Pretty awesome, though!

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[zogby...@gmail.com]

Exactly! First tiger muskie ever, let alone on 5x tippet.

[namfos]

So maybe there are larger specimens in either reservoir.

Mark

[zogby...@gmail.com]

Mark: 

 

I'm sure (http://www.midatlanticfishingguide.com/Triadelphia_Reservoir.htm). 

 

What surprised me was how they held either in the current or seams where you'd expect to find trout.  There was plenty of flat water beyond this run, but these guys were picking off a stripped woolly bugger in the current.  Color me surprised.

 

Chris

[Misha Gill]

Wait that's not a pickerel? 

[Misha Gill]

I've caught pickerel in trout streams before. They are the true natives!

[zogby...@gmail.com]

 

I've caught chain pickerel before, and their markings don't match up with that guy.  I suppose I could have counted chin pores, but my initial reaction after snapping a pic, was getting it back in the water without getting my fingers near it's mouth.  ;-)

[Jeffrey Silvan]

Those definitely have the markings of a tiger muskie. What's the size of those fish you caught? It's hard to get a good reference in there. It looks on the small side (or you have a giant net), and since they can't reproduce and almost never occur in the wild (and they don't appear to have true strain musky in there) they'd all have to be stocked. I've never caught or seen one in person, but I know in the lakes that had them back up in MA, they didn't stock them until they were at 30".

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Jeff:

 

The net is pretty big.  I'd say the fish was ~ 14".  There are tiger muskies in the impoundment above the spot I was fishing so (in hindsight) I'm completely surprised to see one.

 

Chris

On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 1:05:17 PM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

Those definitely have the markings of a tiger muskie. What's the size of those fish you caught? It's hard to get a good reference in there. It looks on the small side (or you have a giant net), and since they can't reproduce and almost never occur in the wild (and they don't appear to have true strain musky in there) they'd all have to be stocked. I've never caught or seen one in person, but I know in the lakes that had them back up in MA, they didn't stock them until they were at 30".

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:58 PM, <zogby...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I've caught chain pickerel before, and their markings don't match up with that guy.  I suppose I could have counted chin pores, but my initial reaction after snapping a pic, was getting it back in the water without getting my fingers near it's mouth.  ;-)

 

 

 

On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 12:43:32 PM UTC-4, Misha Gill wrote:

I've caught pickerel in trout streams before. They are the true natives!

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[Richard Farino]

That image looks like an immature musky in the barred coloration.  Check the tail fins next time – if they’re rounded it’s a tiger.  If they’re pointed, it’s one of the color patterned musky -http://ifish4life.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a7932760970b014e861153e0970d-pi

Caught a few well below the dam not too long ago.  From what I’m told they live in the river way down below where Hawlings joins the Patuxent.  Go back later this year well below if you want to find bigger fish.

Try not to beat up too much on the little guys up there though.

R

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[zogby...@gmail.com]

Rich: 

 

Thanks for the documentation.  I looked at an enlarged version of that pic, and the pectoral/pelvic fins look rounded.  I have another pic where the caudal fin looks rounded as well.

 

 

Try not to beat up too much on the little guys up there though.

 

You bet.  I push the barbs flat and usually find the hook is out once they're in the net.  I try not to handle anything anymore unless I absolutely have to.

 

Chris

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Edit.

On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 1:09:58 PM UTC-4, zogby...@gmail.com wrote:

Jeff:

 

The net is pretty big.  I'd say the fish was ~ 14".  There are tiger muskies in the impoundment above the spot I was fishing so (in hindsight) I'm NOT completely surprised to see one.

[TurbineBlade]

That's a great catch!  I wouldn't mind catching anything out of that genus with my fly rod -- 

Honestly, I wish chain pickerel were managed more intensely where they are native here.  They'd probably do better than trout in a lot of places (maybe not all) which are currently stocked with trout.  Someone could start some kind of "revised fishing management for the new age" program at a fisheries management agency and always be known as the person who broke the endless cycle of just "doing what everyone else has always done without really considering alternatives".   Not that I mind fishing for trout -- just something to think about.  

Chain pickerel are a good aquarium species too if you have an old 125 gallon tank.  I wouldn't try the other species in the genus...

Gene ("Trout Limited?") TurbineBlade

[Brendan]

nice catch! 

I've gotten a couple chain pickerel on trout streams before, usually on hoppers or kreelex in PA tailwaters.  First thought is 'trophy trout,' then disappointment, then 'oh that was actually pretty cool and a helluva fight.'  Have gone a couple times trying to target them, but no luck. only happens when fishing for trout w/ a 3 or 4wt.  

[zogby...@gmail.com]

Thanks Gene.  Pure dumb luck.  The spot I was fishing in couldn't have looked more like a trout spot than it already did.  The fact that there was a substantial area of slack water behind the main tongue of current made me think other things could have been lingering around.  Actually caught a yellow perch in that spot and white crappie in the shaded run above it.  Everything but trout.  Lol.

 

 

Honestly, I wish chain pickerel were managed more intensely where they are native here.  They'd probably do better than trout in a lot of places (maybe not all) which are currently stocked with trout.

I'm starting to feel that way about smallmouth bass.

 

 

On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 4:07:23 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:

[zogby...@gmail.com]

Thanks Brendan.

 

First thought is 'trophy trout,' then disappointment, then 'oh that was actually pretty cool and a helluva fight.'

 

Same here.  Lol.

[Carl Z.]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:27 PM, <zogby...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Honestly, I wish chain pickerel were managed more intensely where they are native here.  They'd probably do better than trout in a lot of places (maybe not all) which are currently stocked with trout.

I'm starting to feel that way about smallmouth bass.

As far as I know, they are not native in MD rivers. They are a Mississippi River Basin (Ohio and others) fish.  Slightly more native than the Snakehead.   At least the TigerMuskie is a sterile hybrid which should go away as they die off.  

However I'm a big Smallie fan.  Sort of like "Pheasants Forever".  

[tperkins]

I believe that Chain Pickerel are native to the region. http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=681. They are one of my favorite fish to catch.

[namfos]

Chris - 

I don't live all that far away from the WSSC reservoirs, down Georgia Ave, in Manor Woods just below Manor County Club. In all likelihood one or the other will be the first place I launch my new kayak (If I can make up my mind about which one I want to buy) Otherwise I haven't paid much attention to them so long as I was fishing on foot. 

All the Esox are ambush predators - seems to me that so long as the current's not too strong it's a good place to set up for dining out if you're a piscine predator. When I was a Boy Scout we used to catch tons of chain pickerel in slow moving rivers in South Jersey, i.e. Rancocas Creek etc.. 

Mark

[zogby...@gmail.com]

Mark:  Best of luck!  I'm sure you won't have trouble encouraging a member of the Esox genus to take a streamer below Brighton dam.  No kayak required for that!  -Chris

[namfos]

I might head there for Fathers Day.

Mark

[Carl Z.]

tperkins,  sorry for the confusion. 

Chain Pickerel I do believe are native.  My comment was about the Small Mouth Bass.  I love them but they are not native to our streams here..

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[tperkins]

Ah! yes small mouths are not native. Nor are most of the fish we like to target. One of the reasons I love shad, native and wild!

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 12:46:03 PM UTC-4, Carl wrote:

tperkins,  sorry for the confusion. 

Chain Pickerel I do believe are native.  My comment was about the Small Mouth Bass.  I love them but they are not native to our streams here..

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I believe that Chain Pickerel are native to the region. http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=681. They are one of my favorite fish to catch.

On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 7:33:43 PM UTC-4, Carl wrote:

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:27 PM, <zogby...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Honestly, I wish chain pickerel were managed more intensely where they are native here.  They'd probably do better than trout in a lot of places (maybe not all) which are currently stocked with trout.

I'm starting to feel that way about smallmouth bass.

As far as I know, they are not native in MD rivers. They are a Mississippi River Basin (Ohio and others) fish.  Slightly more native than the Snakehead.   At least the TigerMuskie is a sterile hybrid which should go away as they die off.  

However I'm a big Smallie fan.  Sort of like "Pheasants Forever".  

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