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Yang Chang

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May 25, 2017, 8:49:54 PM5/25/17
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Hello all, 

I need some suggestions on DH hand rod selection for fishing in Potomac. I have a 7wt 13'6" spey rod and I am looking for a shorter one as backup or for small river, mainly Potomac river and once a year salmon river or surf. I read some articles that people recommended 8 wt 11 ft for salmon river, but it may be too heavy for Potomac. If you use a switch rod fishing Potomac, what wt and length would you use? Is 7 wt 11'6" switch a good choice? Thanks for your advice!

BTW, I am selling my Sage TCX 7126-4 spey rod. Let me know if you are interested.

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Yang

 




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I use an 11ft 7wt switch quite a bit for smallies on the Potomac. It's also a perfect Great Lakes Steelhead rod. I grew up on the Lake Erie tribs and that was my go to DH rod. It's on the lighter for the salmon, but would work.

I'm sure other members will have some opinions as well. Right before this thread will Undoubtedly turn into a space for people to engage in arguments regarding whether or not a DH rod serves any  purpose at all.

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Art

 

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Yang Chang

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Hi Art,

I forgot to mention that I also want this rod to cover steelhead in Erie tribs. I have been there twice with my 7 wt single hand. 

Is 7 wt switch roughly equivalence to 9 wt single hand? 

Thanks for your reply!

Yang

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I use an 11ft 7wt switch quite a bit for smallies on the Potomac. It's also a perfect Great Lakes Steelhead rod. I grew up on the Lake Erie tribs and that was my go to DH rod. It's on the lighter for the salmon, but would work.

I'm sure other members will have some opinions as well. Right before this thread will Undoubtedly turn into a space for people to engage in arguments regarding whether or not a DH rod serves any  purpose at all.

Cheers,

Art

 

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On May 25, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Yang Chang <yang...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all, 

I need some suggestions on DH hand rod selection for fishing in Potomac. I have a 7wt 13'6" spey rod and I am looking for a shorter one as backup or for small river, mainly Potomac river and once a year salmon river or surf. I read some articles that people recommended 8 wt 11 ft for salmon river, but it may be too heavy for Potomac. If you use a switch rod fishing Potomac, what wt and length would you use? Is 7 wt 11'6" switch a good choice? Thanks for your advice!

BTW, I am selling my Sage TCX 7126-4 spey rod. Let me know if you are interested.

Best,

Yang

 




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11ft'6" 7wt is a great erie steelhead rod.  Probably a tad more than what you need for the Potomac but should be fine.  Ideally I would go with a six which would be fine for the small to medium sized erie tribs but probably a bit light for the salmon and other bigger water.


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Hi Art,

I forgot to mention that I also want this rod to cover steelhead in Erie tribs. I have been there twice with my 7 wt single hand. 

Is 7 wt switch roughly equivalence to 9 wt single hand? 

Thanks for your reply!

Yang
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I use an 11ft 7wt switch quite a bit for smallies on the Potomac. It's also a perfect Great Lakes Steelhead rod. I grew up on the Lake Erie tribs and that was my go to DH rod. It's on the lighter for the salmon, but would work.

I'm sure other members will have some opinions as well. Right before this thread will Undoubtedly turn into a space for people to engage in arguments regarding whether or not a DH rod serves any  purpose at all.

Cheers,

Art

 

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On May 25, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Yang Chang <yang...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all, 

I need some suggestions on DH hand rod selection for fishing in Potomac. I have a 7wt 13'6" spey rod and I am looking for a shorter one as backup or for small river, mainly Potomac river and once a year salmon river or surf. I read some articles that people recommended 8 wt 11 ft for salmon river, but it may be too heavy for Potomac. If you use a switch rod fishing Potomac, what wt and length would you use? Is 7 wt 11'6" switch a good choice? Thanks for your advice!

BTW, I am selling my Sage TCX 7126-4 spey rod. Let me know if you are interested.

Best,

Yang

 




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Yang,

I think the 11ft 7wt is the best all round switch for Erie Steelhead. I would not say it's equivalent to a 9wt, it's just a different animal all together. I like it for smallies on the Potomac because I can throw a skagit head on it and chuck some heavy flies and light sink tips. It's an amazing shad/striped bass rod for the Rapahanock.

I will not bore you with any esoteric Great Lakes steelhead commentary regarding fishing for salmon and steelhead with DH rods on the Erie tribs , as you will find no shortage of this on the net. 

If you do decide to fish for the salmon the 7wt is a little light, but you can certainly land them. In most cases they are 80% dead when you hook them and much of their flesh has rotted away from their bodies. They usually just pull hard but are rather easy to land.

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Yams idea about the longer 6 Is a good option as well!

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Yang Chang

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May 26, 2017, 7:51:03 AM5/26/17
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Hi Art:

How about the Sage One 7wt 11'6"? it is 6" longer than regular 11ft 7wt.

What line setup do you use for potomac, Erie steelhead, and salmon river on your 7 wt 11ft?

Thanks!

Yang 

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Yang,

I think the 11ft 7wt is the best all round switch for Erie Steelhead. I would not say it's equivalent to a 9wt, it's just a different animal all together. I like it for smallies on the Potomac because I can throw a skagit head on it and chuck some heavy flies and light sink tips. It's an amazing shad/striped bass rod for the Rapahanock.

I will not bore you with any esoteric Great Lakes steelhead commentary regarding fishing for salmon and steelhead with DH rods on the Erie tribs , as you will find no shortage of this on the net. 

If you do decide to fish for the salmon the 7wt is a little light, but you can certainly land them. In most cases they are 80% dead when you hook them and much of their flesh has rotted away from their bodies. They usually just pull hard but are rather easy to land.

Art

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11ft'6" 7wt is a great erie steelhead rod.  Probably a tad more than what you need for the Potomac but should be fine.  Ideally I would go with a six which would be fine for the small to medium sized erie tribs but probably a bit light for the salmon and other bigger water.

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:44:29 PM UTC-4, deepwater wrote:
Hi Art,

I forgot to mention that I also want this rod to cover steelhead in Erie tribs. I have been there twice with my 7 wt single hand. 

Is 7 wt switch roughly equivalence to 9 wt single hand? 

Thanks for your reply!

Yang
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I use an 11ft 7wt switch quite a bit for smallies on the Potomac. It's also a perfect Great Lakes Steelhead rod. I grew up on the Lake Erie tribs and that was my go to DH rod. It's on the lighter for the salmon, but would work.

I'm sure other members will have some opinions as well. Right before this thread will Undoubtedly turn into a space for people to engage in arguments regarding whether or not a DH rod serves any  purpose at all.

Cheers,

Art

 

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Hello all, 

I need some suggestions on DH hand rod selection for fishing in Potomac. I have a 7wt 13'6" spey rod and I am looking for a shorter one as backup or for small river, mainly Potomac river and once a year salmon river or surf. I read some articles that people recommended 8 wt 11 ft for salmon river, but it may be too heavy for Potomac. If you use a switch rod fishing Potomac, what wt and length would you use? Is 7 wt 11'6" switch a good choice? Thanks for your advice!

BTW, I am selling my Sage TCX 7126-4 spey rod. Let me know if you are interested.

Best,

Yang

 




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I'm a fan of the 11' switch rods. I use an Orvis 8wt and a 6wt TFO deer creek. I like the Rio Outbound short for around here. You can overhand the entire line out in with one false cast or two hand and bomb out a roll. 

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That sage one is just as good as any rod out there, but for the Erie tribs I really like that 11 footer. The PA tribs do not warrant more than a 40 ft cast and often have low hanging trees in your d loop. The 11 footer is better in single had applications as well.

If your only swinging or stripping flies  I like an SA third cost Skagit or Rio skagit short with a 10ft section of T8 or 10ft poly leader.

For indicators use the orvis 8 or 9 wt nymph line. 

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Yang Chang

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7wt 11ft is good for both potomac and Erie, and on the light side for salmon river. 

7wt 11ft 6 in is too long for Erie. 

8wt is good for salmon river but too heavy for potomac and Erie trib 

So seems like 7wt 11ft is the best option? 

When will orvis have a big sale on helios 2 :-)

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Ya I think if I had to pick,  7 11 is definitely the way to go! 

If your fishing anything longer you might as well go full spey. But it's just my opinion. Other may have some good points as well.

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What rod do u use or prefer in Salmon river?

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I don't think 11'6 is too long for the Erie tribs, especially if you are fishing somewhere like the Catt.

I use an 11 ft 8wt on the salmon. But there are guys using 14 foot rods there. I use a rage compact head with polyleaders for almost all of my great lakes tribs fishing with the exception of the lower Niagara where I use skagit heads and t-14 for the most part.

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For steelhead I like a 7 11 switch or 13 7 spey. 

I don't fish for salmon , but if I did I'd take an 11 8 switch rod

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Yep those rivers and mabey one or two to the west I would agree. In fact if I'm just swinging I use a 13 7 with a skagit setup. But for versatility and single hand casting I like the 11 footer.

I would suggest going to a flyshop and putting some different rods in your hand. Give them the ol wiggle test

Art









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> I don't think 11'6 is too long for the Erie tribs, especially if you are fishing somewhere like the Catt.
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> I use an 11 ft 8wt on the salmon. But there are guys using 14 foot rods there. I use a rage compact head with polyleaders for almost all of my great lakes tribs fishing with the exception of the lower Niagara where I use skagit heads and t-14 for the most part.
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Two more cents.
I've been using a 12 1/2 foot 6 weight old Sage Graphite IV for many years for steelhead and on the Potomac.  Perfect for me, mainly casting overhead.

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Yep those rivers and mabey one or two to the west I would agree. In fact if I'm just swinging I use a 13 7 with a skagit setup. But for versatility and single hand casting I like the 11 footer.

I would suggest going to a flyshop and putting some different rods in your hand. Give them the ol wiggle test

Art









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> I don't think 11'6 is too long for the Erie tribs, especially if you are fishing somewhere like the Catt.
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> I use an 11 ft 8wt on the salmon. But there are guys using 14 foot rods there.  I use a rage compact head with polyleaders for almost all of my great lakes tribs fishing with the exception of the lower Niagara where I use skagit heads and t-14 for the most part.
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Yang Chang

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Thanks all for your kindly help! I will look for a 7wt 11' or 11'6" switch rod.

I have only fished Walnut creek in Erie twice in the fall and want to explore more steelhead tribs in both spring and fall. Can you give me some general information about what season and which trib to look for steelhead? Thanks again!

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Two more cents.
I've been using a 12 1/2 foot 6 weight old Sage Graphite IV for many years for steelhead and on the Potomac.  Perfect for me, mainly casting overhead.

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Yep those rivers and mabey one or two to the west I would agree. In fact if I'm just swinging I use a 13 7 with a skagit setup. But for versatility and single hand casting I like the 11 footer.

I would suggest going to a flyshop and putting some different rods in your hand. Give them the ol wiggle test

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> I don't think 11'6 is too long for the Erie tribs, especially if you are fishing somewhere like the Catt.
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> I use an 11 ft 8wt on the salmon. But there are guys using 14 foot rods there.  I use a rage compact head with polyleaders for almost all of my great lakes tribs fishing with the exception of the lower Niagara where I use skagit heads and t-14 for the most part.
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Yambag Nelson

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I have mostly fished in new York. Pretty much any stream that flows into lake Erie gets fish. I realize that is not that helpful, but those streams have gotten destroyed by the internet...

I have always found steelhead fishing to be most enjoyable from September through November but December can be good as well. There are fish around through April though.

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If you’ve only fished Walnut Creek in Erie, and you STILL want to fish for steelhead, you’re a better man than I.  If that was my only steel heading experience in Erie I’d never go back.

That said, I used to fish nothing but a 9’ 6 or 7-weight with a floating line in Erie tribs.  I could still cast a marabou streamer pattern and swing, but I wouldn’t need the longer length rod because I was casting overhead.

One year I wound up buying a Sage 7110-4 Z-Axis Switch.  I loaded it with a 350 Skagit body, and bought interchangeable tips.  Now I have a floating tip for bouncing egg patterns on smaller rivers, and I usually use a type 3 or type 5 tip on bigger rivers for swinging those same marabou spey patterns.  I also use it on the NB Potomac.

My next purchase will be a 4wt Winston Microspey.  I used it on the NB and it was a lot of fun.

So as Art mentioned, an 11’ 7-weight is spot on.

Disclaimer – I don’t use it on the Potomac.  Swinging flies is a waste of my time on this river, in my opinion.

R


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Totally understand. Oct to Nov is the best time for hunting, so I also want to fish spring. Thanks!

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Yambag Nelson <northstreet...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have mostly fished in new York.  Pretty much any stream that flows into lake Erie gets fish. I realize that is not that helpful, but those streams have gotten destroyed by the internet...

I have always found steelhead fishing to be most enjoyable from September through November but December can be good as well.  There are fish around through April though.
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I also caught steelhead in both Walnit and salmon river, but very limited experience. Walnut is easy to to get some actions but no casting. That is why I am thinking to explore other tribs.

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Richard Farino <rfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
If you’ve only fished Walnut Creek in Erie, and you STILL want to fish for steelhead, you’re a better man than I.  If that was my only steel heading experience in Erie I’d never go back.

That said, I used to fish nothing but a 9’ 6 or 7-weight with a floating line in Erie tribs.  I could still cast a marabou streamer pattern and swing, but I wouldn’t need the longer length rod because I was casting overhead.

One year I wound up buying a Sage 7110-4 Z-Axis Switch.  I loaded it with a 350 Skagit body, and bought interchangeable tips.  Now I have a floating tip for bouncing egg patterns on smaller rivers, and I usually use a type 3 or type 5 tip on bigger rivers for swinging those same marabou spey patterns.  I also use it on the NB Potomac.

My next purchase will be a 4wt Winston Microspey.  I used it on the NB and it was a lot of fun.

So as Art mentioned, an 11’ 7-weight is spot on.

Disclaimer – I don’t use it on the Potomac.  Swinging flies is a waste of my time on this river, in my opinion.

R


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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} double hand rods in Potomac

Thanks all for your kindly help! I will look for a 7wt 11' or 11'6" switch rod.

I have only fished Walnut creek in Erie twice in the fall and want to explore more steelhead tribs in both spring and fall. Can you give me some general information about what season and which trib to look for steelhead? Thanks again!

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Walnut is a zoo.  Try Elk, or 20 mile, or head into Ohio or the NY Erie tribs.

When we’re open, I’ll do a steelhead primer in the shop around September.

R

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If your looking for spots purchase the Steelhead Guide by John Nagy. 

It's very informative and is considered the best literature on Erie Steelhead.

Art

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Yang Chang

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Purchased! 

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:54 AM, <arthur...@gmail.com> wrote:
If your looking for spots purchase the Steelhead Guide by John Nagy. 

It's very informative and is considered the best literature on Erie Steelhead.

Art

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Walnut is a zoo.  Try Elk, or 20 mile, or head into Ohio or the NY Erie tribs.

When we’re open, I’ll do a steelhead primer in the shop around September.

R

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Nice that book describes the run times in great detail by stream. It also gives you so excellent suggestions on we're to park and fish.

I spent most of my life fishing for steelhead in the Great Lakes. It's one of the easiest fish to fool and they fight like crazy!! 

Expect to see other anglers around. it's just that type of fishing environment. I'm alway laughing when people complain about pressure on steelhead streams. It's just like the shad run here, it's to be expected. Just embrace and have fun !

Be friendly and strike up conversation with with them. People are very quick to share there knowledge if your friendly.

Art

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