Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Digest for tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com - 17 Messages in 6 Topics

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Hey I'm a newby also.  Well a newby because it would the first time for me to fish in the DMV.  I would like to know when and where everyone will be fishing.

Thanks,
Mavis

On Jun 6, 2013 8:31 AM, <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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    "Nowak.jeff" <nowak...@gmail.com> Jun 05 12:59PM -0400  

    Decided to take the day off throw legal caution to the wind and take my inflatable pontoon to roaches run/duck pond/water fowl sanctuary. Fished along the banks using everything with no success. However when I got to the out flow to the Potomac there was a lot a surface action. As I got closer I could see large slender fish breaking the surface the diving back down similar to a dolphin breach. I began casting a large clouser with no success. As I drifted closer more I could see the spotted tail of huge gar racing through the water. They were traveling in groups and were in the 24 to 36 range and as thick as a football.  Needless to say I pulled my toes out of the water. 
     
    Does anyone know a fly(colors) to throw to these spawning gar? I don't think they were feeding and did not seem agressive as the approached my boat sever times. 
     
    Jeff
     
     
     
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    Scott Stankus <ssta...@gmail.com> Jun 05 01:20PM -0400  

    All the Gar I've caught have been on the TeQueely Streamer. It's got a
    black and yellow marabou tail and the body is tinsel chenille in copper
    with 3 pairs of yellow rubber legs. Now it could be that I caught my first
    gar on a Tequeely so now I choose to fish it whenever I see gar...
     
    I've heard good things about rope flies, but never tried them. Never heard
    anything about a color preference, though...
     
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    Lane Thurgood <thur...@yahoo.com> Jun 05 07:09PM -0700  

    Saw plenty at Chain Bridge this morning too, pretty much mid-river.  Lots of them porpoising, like you say.  Happens every year.  I've never targeted them here.  The only time I did target them in Alabama, they'd take poppers, but the hook didn't set.  I do know that folks throw frayed rope.
     
    --- On Wed, 6/5/13, Nowak.jeff <nowak...@gmail.com> wrote:
     
    From: Nowak.jeff <nowak...@gmail.com>
    Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Gar Oh My
    To: tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com
    Date: Wednesday, June 5, 2013, 12:59 PM
     
     
    Decided to take the day off throw legal caution to the wind and take my inflatable pontoon to roaches run/duck pond/water fowl sanctuary. Fished along the banks using everything with no success. However when I got to the out flow to the Potomac there was a lot a surface action. As I got closer I could see large slender fish breaking the surface the diving back down similar to a dolphin breach. I began casting a large clouser with no success. As I drifted closer more I could see the spotted tail of huge gar racing through the water. They were traveling in groups and were in the 24 to 36 range and as thick as a football.  Needless to say I pulled my toes out of the water. 
    Does anyone know a fly(colors) to throw to these spawning gar? I don't think they were feeding and did not seem agressive as the approached my boat sever times. 
    Jeff
     
     
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    Vic Velasco <velasco...@gmail.com> Jun 06 03:21AM -0700  

    I haven't caught one yet, but if you do start going for them with frayed
    rope, make sure to bring the following stuff so you can get it out of the
    gar's mouth/teeth - a small piece of wood around 1" thick to use the keep
    it's mouth open, scissors to cut the material away if it doesn't lift out,
    gloves to handle the fish (scales may be sharp). If you don't remove the
    tangle, the fly can't eat - which may be alright if you are going to eat
    it, but that's a decision for you to make.
     
    On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:59:23 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:

     

    Vic Velasco <velasco...@gmail.com> Jun 06 03:25AM -0700  

    I haven't caught one yet, but I've been trying. Surf youtube if you are
    going to cast a rope fly - there is some insight there that shows if you
    go, bring more than just the rope fly. You'll need to bring a small block
    of wood to help keep the fish's jaws open. You'll need a scissors to cut
    away your fly if it isn't lifting out from around the fish's teeth. You'll
    want gloves so the scales don't cut you. If you don't remove the fly, the
    fish can't eat post release.
     
    On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:59:23 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:

     

    Alex Binsted <a.bi...@gmail.com> Jun 05 07:10PM -0700  

    *warning, this story contains the use of spinning tackle*
     
    This afternoon I headed out in a rowboat intending to fish for stripers but
    first decided to drift down the VA shoreline just upstream from Fletcher's
    and try for smallmouth and largemouth. I'm glad I did. I had a perfect
    upriver wind that helped my slowly drift as I bounced a tube in the pockets
    and seams along the bank. On my first drift I landed two smallmouth larger
    than 15", two largemouth larger than 16" and a few other smaller
    largemouth. For the next few hours I continued to drift down and troll
    back up the same 200 yard section of shoreline. By the end of the day I
    ended with four smallmouth over 15" (largest was around 17", two big
    largemouth and about 6 smaller ones, 9 stripers (up to 22"), a rare
    rockbass and a blue and channel catfish. I also caught a nice carp on a
    mulberry fly in the canal before hitting the river. I may fish every day
    but I still have days that I am truly amazed by the Potomac, this was one
    of those days.
     
    The bass bite appears to be "on" and should stay hot thru the fall. In the
    Fletcher's area I find it best to drift slowly down the river and fish
    close to the shoreline. There are always a few largemouth and smallmouth
    hanging out waiting to ambush baitfish. As the river level drops the best
    fishing is upstream but for now you barely have to row at all, they're
    right on the other side of the river - which is where ill be tomorrow...

     

    bae...@me.com Jun 05 04:43PM -0700  

    Hi,
     
    I'm a steelheader with spey rods and a newby to the area. Would like to
    try for some stripers (or anything else) and would like to join in with
    others to learn.
    Please let me know if there's room for another.
     
    Steve

     

    Sam Hauser <slhau...@gmail.com> Jun 05 01:53PM -0400  

    Yes there was one caught over 18 pounds. This story is irritating me for
    that very reason. Also I have seen several caught that appear to be much
    larger than the one featured (including one I caught). I think NBC is
    having a really slow news week or something.

     

    Jeffrey Silvan <jeffre...@gmail.com> Jun 05 02:05PM -0400  

    According to the IGFA, the world record still stands at 17 lb, 4 oz. There
    aren't specific line class or fly rod records for it (yet), just a simple
    all tackle. The snakehead that was caught last year was rejected as a
    record because proper witnessing and measurement protocols were not
    followed.
     
     

     

    Scott Stankus <ssta...@gmail.com> Jun 05 02:06PM -0400  

    Ah, thanks for the clarification!
     
     
     
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    Sam Hauser <slhau...@gmail.com> Jun 05 02:32PM -0400  

    Well that's depressing. I guess I should have been calling around to news
    stations and whatnot when I landed mine in November :(

     

    Scott Stankus <ssta...@gmail.com> Jun 05 02:35PM -0400  

    Now you know for next time... ;-)
     
     
     
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    Kristen Sorensen <sore...@gmail.com> Jun 05 08:30AM -0700  

    Thanks Vo! Really appreciate it!

     

    "Eric Y." <theeri...@gmail.com> Jun 05 05:04AM -0700  

    Interesting, thanks for that. I'm on my way out the door so I didn't read
    it too closely, but I didn't see a specific ban on wading (while not
    fishing), just swimming. I could have missed it, though - I am not a
    morning person.
     
    Either way, maybe I'm sympathizing with the drafter here, but if I ever saw
    a sign or statute that said "no swimming or wading" or "no entering the
    water" etc, I would never think "well, that doesn't apply to me, because
    I'm fishing." Maybe I'm too much of a rule follower.
     
    On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:07:45 AM UTC-4, pmk00001 wrote:

     

    Dalton Terrell <daltonb...@gmail.com> Jun 05 06:34AM -0700  

    As a follow up to Richie, Steve Moore and the current discussion about
    exemptions of wading while fishing, I have found the current statute on
    swimming and wading from in the C&O Canal Park, which does not apply in
    Remick's case but I think is of value. The statute in the C&O Canal
    Compendium<http://www.nps.gov/choh/parkmgmt/upload/2011-Superintendent-s-Compendium.pdf>,
    dated 12/13/2011 is this:
    *3.16 Swimming or Wading in Park Waters*
    *(a)(1) Areas closed to swimming and wading (except fishing)*
    *1. Areas designated in 36 CF section 7.96 (e)*
    *2. Waters of the canal prism and basins*
     
    My reading of this is that you are allowed to swim and wade in all C&O
    Canal park waters except for those laid out 36 CFR 7.96 (e) (in this case
    refers to Washington, DC and Montgomery County) and the canal itself,
    however, you are allowed to wade and fish in all C&O Canal Park waters.
    With this language, it is clear that Sergeant Locasio, who spoke to Richie
    and wrote Remick's citation, is mistaken about fishing while wading and
    even swimming/wading in the Potomac along the C&O Canal.
     
    Given this statute, with an explicit exemption for wading while fishing, it
    appears that you could much more easily fight a ticket given while wading
    and fishing the treacherous waters near Chain Bridge than the relative safe
    inlet at Gravelly Point.
     
    As another note, the wording of this statute changed between the 2010
    Compendium<http://www.nps.gov/choh/parkmgmt/upload/2010-Park-Compendium.pdf>(dated 7/2/2010) and the 2011 version listed above:
    *3.16 Swimming or Wading in Park Waters*
    *(a)(1) Areas closed to swimming and wading*
    *1. Areas designated in 36 CFR section 7.96 (e)*
    *(e) Swimming, Bathing, swimming [*Dalton's interjection: swimming is
    doubly prohibited*] or wading in any fountain or pool except where
    officially authorized is prohibited. Bathing, swimming or wading in the
    Tidal Basin, the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal, or Rock Creek, or entering from
    other areas covered by this section the Potomac River, Anacostia River,
    Washington Channel, or Georgetown Channel, except for the purpose of saving
    a drowning person, is prohibited.*
    *(District of Columbia and Montgomery County, Maryland)*
    *2. Waters of the canal prism and basins*
    *
    *
    As you see above, in 2010 and the the statutes that Steve Moore and Richie
    pasted from 2001 and 2004, respectively, have no exemption for wading while
    fishing but the 2011 version does.
     
    Dalton

     

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