Better trout fishing: Maryland or Virginia?

[Alex Large]

I'm curious what people's preferences are. To make the survey imperfectly fair let's phrase the question this way: If you were a trout fisherman living in DC and had to choose between purchasing a Non-resident  trout fishing license in either Virginia or Maryland this winter, which would you chose and why? 

givens:

-price differences between licenses are nominal 

-driving proximity to the heart of DC to be considered

Discuss.

[TurbineBlade]

This winter?  Maryland. 

Gene

[Alex Large]

Well- I mean to purchase the license during winter- to be used for the subsequent 365 days. 

Why winter fishing in Maryland? stream-fed streams and better access? 

[Alex Large]

*spring-fed streams

[Richard Farino]

MD gives you access to the Potomac for it’s entire length, except within the confines of DC, plus MD trout streams.

That’s the benefit.

R

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[TurbineBlade]

Yep ^^ -- Rich has it.  Also proximity is probably better to most places you would (or at least I would) want to fish in Maryland.   

Note that both states have a FW (or non-tidal) license, and a trout stamp or license.  For Virginia, I honestly don't even know why I buy a trout stamp....I don't really care about the stocked streams, aside from 1-2 days a year fishing Accotink.

Gene

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 1:15:02 PM UTC-5, Richard Farino wrote:

MD gives you access to the Potomac for it’s entire length, except within the confines of DC, plus MD trout streams.

That’s the benefit.

R

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*spring-fed streams

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 12:49:26 PM UTC-5, Alex Large wrote:

Well- I mean to purchase the license during winter- to be used for the subsequent 365 days. 

Why winter fishing in Maryland? stream-fed streams and better access? 

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 12:46:00 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:

This winter?  Maryland. 

Gene

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, Alex Large wrote:

I'm curious what people's preferences are. To make the survey imperfectly fair let's phrase the question this way: If you were a trout fisherman living in DC and had to choose between purchasing a Non-resident  trout fishing license in either Virginia or Maryland this winter, which would you chose and why? 

givens:

-price differences between licenses are nominal 

-driving proximity to the heart of DC to be considered

Discuss.

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[Yambag Nelson]

If you are strictly talking about trout fishing then I think I would probably consider them about equal with maybe a slight edge to virginia assuming you are willing to drive.  If you take warmwater into account then virginia by far.

[Andy Thomas]

For winter trout fishing, I'd prefer MD.  Three good tailwater streams with wild fish open year round that are within 3 hours--Gunpowder, Savage and NB.  All these are easy to wade.  If you have a boat and fish for musky, then VA.  It also has some trout streams open year.

[Bob Richey]

For trout, I vote MD. There is the Savage, Big Hunting, Beaver and Gunpowser all within easy distance of DC and all with wild populations. If we add smallies into the mix, then VA.

[TurbineBlade]

Come to think of it, Beth and I did Sat-VA, Sun-MD on two of our favorite streams.  Mostly little wild browns, and they're pretty on both.  

There's a lot of really fun fishing around this place.  We hated moving here....god, 8 years ago?  But you gotta make the most of it!  

Gene

[namfos]

And if you're feeling like roaming a little farther afield, get a PA non-resident license. 

Mark

[arthur noglak]

If you live in the metro area and like to trout fish I think VA, MD and PA licences are all good investments. Each of the three state have excellent eastern trout fishing within a 2 and a half hour drive or less. A DC licence should also be considered for stipers and shad and a WV license gets you into so realy awsome smallmouth water less that two hours from the district.

Art

[Jeff Cook]

And you can pretty easily approach $300 per year just in state licenses, trout stamps, saltwater add-ons, parks permits, etc, before you drop a line in the water.

On Jan 5, 2016, at 8:35 PM, arthur noglak <arthur...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you live in the metro area and like to trout fish I think  VA, MD and PA licences are all good investments. Each of the three state have excellent eastern trout fishing within a 2 and a half hour drive or less. A DC licence should also be considered for stipers and shad and a WV license gets you into so realy awsome smallmouth water less that two hours from the district.


Art

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[arthur.noglak]

Agreed. Mabey one day the Salvation army will get into the Fly fishing business but until the we have to pay to play. Look at it this way how many rounds of golf does $300 get you? 

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[ALarge]

I could chip a whole hell of a lot of golf balls into 4MR for $300. Apparently that's a popular thing to do *smh*

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:17:12 PM UTC-5, arthur noglak wrote:

Agreed. Mabey one day the Salvation army will get into the Fly fishing business but until the we have to pay to play. Look at it this way how many rounds of golf does $300 get you? 

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And you can pretty easily approach $300 per year just in state licenses, trout stamps, saltwater add-ons, parks permits, etc, before you drop a line in the water.

On Jan 5, 2016, at 8:35 PM, arthur noglak <arthur...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you live in the metro area and like to trout fish I think  VA, MD and PA licences are all good investments. Each of the three state have excellent eastern trout fishing within a 2 and a half hour drive or less. A DC licence should also be considered for stipers and shad and a WV license gets you into so realy awsome smallmouth water less that two hours from the district.


Art



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[Brian]

Don't forget all those license fees go toward conservation efforts and keeping the resources available for us all.

[Rob Snowhite]

My theory on the golf balls is that they are coming from the Army Navy Country Club. Somehow ending up in gutters and making their way down. Could be wrong. They are usually too expensive models to whack into the water. 

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[Mike Banaszewski]

The sea was angry that day my friends...

[Ashley Frohwein]

I think md has better fishing but va has better scenery and drives

[Richard Farino]

Both have great options.  Driving to the NB Potomac in autumn has amazing scenery and some spectacular fishing just as rowing a drift boat on the Jackson during spring hatches also has it’s allure as well as pretty places to daze at.

Suck it up and buy both licenses  ;)

R

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[Alex Large]

Again, licensure really is not the underlying question here. So "buy both" is not an option in this poll. 

The question is- which state holds better trout fishing within short driving distance to the District? 

Personally, I've got active licenses in 4 states, the District and my Mexico license just expired. I'd say that if purchasing a license is cost-prohibitive to anyone here, you're in the wrong sport ;) Fly fishing ain't cheap! Not to mention that licenses are nothing more than an excise tax on usage. You get what you give! 

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Both have great options.  Driving to the NB Potomac in autumn has amazing scenery and some spectacular fishing just as rowing a drift boat on the Jackson during spring hatches also has it’s allure as well as pretty places to daze at.

Suck it up and buy both licenses  ;)

R

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I think md has better fishing but va has better scenery and drives

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[TurbineBlade]

Have you considered buying both licenses?  Lol.  

Gene

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, ALarge wrote:

[Misha Gill]

I do most of my trout fishing in MD, despite having had 4 licenses for the past two years (MD, VA, PA, DC). In terms of proximity to D.C. it is far superior, and I think MD's trout fishing is better because wild trout are closer in MD than in VA. I tried Passage Creek two years ago and was less than impressed, and it's about the closest trout stream in a natural setting you can find in VA. 

If the question were Smallmouth Bass oriented I would flip my preference.

[Yambag Nelson]

I guess the question comes back to what you consider a reasonable proximity.  If i was doing a day trip I would rather make the drive to shenandoah then go to the gunpowder, big hunting or somewhere like that (which is why I answered virginia).  While they are closer, I don't enjoy fishing those streams.  Unfortunately, neither state really offers "after work" options for trout (other than the put and take type spots) so you are pretty much going to make a day of it regardless of where you pick. 

[Ashley Frohwein]

Within an hour from DC, in MD you've got the gunpowder (which is highly over-rated - sorry guys - but still worth fishing) and beaver creek, which is great. The only things I can think of within an hour of DC in VA are Holmes Run and Accotink Creek, both of which are just awful (again, sorry to speak the truth). If you want natives within proximity (which you should), get the MD license.

[Bob Richey]

Agreed, I don't really know any wild trout within a couple hours of DC on the Virginia side.

[Dave J]

Seems like the consensus is Maryland. These half dozen or so native and/or wild trout streams in Virginia that I fish within an hour and change from DC must not exist :) So... yes, Maryland!

[Anderson Thomas]

The native/wild trout within 1.5 hours of DC are the brookies in Shenandoah.  Piney, the Rose, Rapidan, and other streams in that general vicinity are around 1.5 hours from DC, depending on traffic. 

Anderson Thomas

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Seems like the consensus is Maryland. These half dozen or so native and/or wild trout streams in Virginia that I fish within an hour and change from DC must not exist :) So... yes, Maryland!

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[TurbineBlade]

Most of the SNP streams are a bit further than 1.5 hours if you drive anywhere close to the speed limit.  I live about 10 miles closer to the SNP (Springfield, VA) than a typical DC resident would, and I'll tell you straight up that most will take about 2 hours and 6 minutes or so.  A few a bit longer.  If you get behind people on skyline....

I recommend the Gunpowder -- go there!  There are like 10,000 fish per square foot -- lol.  

Gene

On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 10:01:00 PM UTC-5, Andy Thomas wrote:

The native/wild trout within 1.5 hours of DC are the brookies in Shenandoah.  Piney, the Rose, Rapidan, and other streams in that general vicinity are around 1.5 hours from DC, depending on traffic. 

Anderson Thomas

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Seems like the consensus is Maryland. These half dozen or so native and/or wild trout streams in Virginia that I fish within an hour and change from DC must not exist :) So... yes, Maryland!

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[Dave J]

And everything in Maryland is like a half hour away -- yes, go there! :)

[namfos]

But if one buys MD, one can fish smallies from DC line all the way upstream in either MD, VA and/or WV.

Mark

On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-5, Misha Gill wrote:

[namfos]

But I think MD does a better job with road signage than VA. ;-) It's all good so long as you get off the interstates and away from the close-in 'burbs.

Mark

[Justin Schiavone]

I agree with Misha regarding the wild browns. Art was that a Joe Dirt reference??

[arthur.noglak]

Most certainly

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[Justin Schiavone]

LOL that's awesome.

"life's a garden, dig it" 

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 4:21:57 PM UTC-7, arthur noglak wrote:

Most certainly

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I agree with Misha regarding the wild browns. Art was that a Joe Dirt reference??

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7, ALarge wrote:

I'm curious what people's preferences are. To make the survey imperfectly fair let's phrase the question this way: If you were a trout fisherman living in DC and had to choose between purchasing a Non-resident  trout fishing license in either Virginia or Maryland this winter, which would you chose and why? 

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-price differences between licenses are nominal 

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