Cattaraugus creek report

[TurbineBlade]

We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

Gene

[TurbineBlade]

Forgot this one -- the picture kinda looks neat.  

[TurbineBlade]

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:

[Rob Snowhite]

Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 

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[TurbineBlade]

I forgot -- we also used some kind of "small" streamer based upon a Senyo pattern (black and blue, craft fur on a #10 heavy scud hook of some kind).  I like "small" streamers for most all my warm water fishing, so that one was fun for me to fish. 

And also a tube fly -- those things are weird.  Nothing hit the tube fly though. 

Some guys at the mouth of silver creek were "center pinning" with bait bags or something.  I was unfamiliar with this "center pin" thing, but most of the guys we talked to didn't have a high opinion of it (or maybe just the particular individuals doing it).  At first glance, I thought one of those outfits was a fly rod until I saw it flex. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:08:38 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:

Rob -- We were guided for the majority of the time we were on the water, so we mostly fished an egg and woolly bugger combo, both nymphing and swinging when the temp hit 46F in the afternoon. 

I did use a few of the eggs and those orange, huge PT nymph things.  Got hit on eggs one day behind the cabin. 

So I still have most of your kind donation -- I'll bring to next tie and you can reclaim them ;).  Burger on us regardless -- we could have fished and lost every darned one of 'em and there would be no difference! 

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:

Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:

We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

Gene

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[Yambag Nelson]

Unless you were on the res it is not legal to fish more than one fly at a time on the NY great lakes tribs.

[Yambag Nelson]

As far as centerpinners go, no they are generally not highly regarded.  I have met some that have been good guys and respectful anglers, but as a group they are notorious for running insanely long drifts without caring if they are floating down in front of other people.  There have been issues with people gutting large female browns for the eggs and throwing the rest of the fish in the bushes on the ontario tribs.  This behavior has also been attributed to the centerpinners who use the eggs for steelhead on the erie tribs.   

 

It is an extremely effective technique though.  Back when the fishing was really good on the erie tribs it was not uncommon for them to hook 30-50 fish a day.  I once met a guy who claimed he caught 100 fish in a day centerpinning but that doesn't seem mathematically possible. 

 

I pretty much exclusively swing with tube flies. 

[TurbineBlade]

That's kind of a shame -- it seems like there are always various "tackle groups" which get reputations like that.  I'm sure a lot of good folks use centerpin gear and respect the fishery. 

I deleted the post regarding "rigs" -- but thank you for making me aware of that.  It never occurred to me to check that using a guide (nor on water where bait is permitted), but I'm angry enough to contact the guy.  When we fished solo, we swung streamers on a poly leader (or teeny t-200 in my case) and did "okay".  I would have been happy just doing that.  I wonder how many folks up there are totally unaware...

I can't imagine hooking 30 or more steelhead in a day.  I think I'd need Tylenol afterward. 

Gene

[Yambag Nelson]

Actually it looks like I may be wrong.  Seems as if New York State changed the rule just a few months ago.  My bad, it was illegal for as long as I have been fishing up there. 

 

http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/101039.html

[TurbineBlade]

Not a problem!  I just spoke with the guy and he was insisting that it was legit -- he mentioned the Ontario tribs were single-fly still though. 

No -- the truth is that I really didn't know and am a lot more aware for future trips to either place!  Everyone should be aware of the regs and never just trust other folks to know for you. 

Thanks,

[Danny Barrett]

Center pins are a pain on smaller creeks.  Always thought about using one with nymphs.  The ability to get a long drift with no drag is a cool thought. 

Thanks,

Dan Barrett

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[Carl Z.]

I've wanted to try centerpinning (or at least float fishing) for warmwater fish on the non-tidal Potomac.  I'm not sure I'm willing to shell out $200 bucks for a centerpin reel, so will probably use a spinning reel to give it a try.

I can see a conflict between fly anglers and Centerpinners.  You could line up 5 centerpinners across the river and each would get his own float.  Sort of like Fletchers in the spring. However one guy swinging a streamer across stream would really muck things up. (or vice versa, one pinner could drift down where multiple fly anglers are trying to swing streamers.

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