Carp Addict

[Jeffrey Silvan]

Hi, my name is Jeff, and I'm a carp addict.

I'm not sure how I've missed out on carp for so long, but I got my first taste of carp on the fly on Saturday. I swung by Orvis and chatted with Dan on new places to try (locally, I rarely hit anywhere but 4MR), and he suggested trying carp at Lock 7. I took the advice, and ran into one of our fellow members, Jim (sorry if I'm remembering your name wrong). Jim was nice enough to give me the 411 on what to look for and how to attack them after I mentioned it was my first time.

The actual approach was incredibly similar to the limited flats fishing experience I have for tarpon. Find the fish, lead it, and don't screw up the cast. I spooked my fair share of fish, had at least one more spit the hook before finally getting my way. I had a very nice size one peel off the group after my fly. I watched the take and hit him. Unfortunately, the fight lasted no more than 10 seconds, since it took an immediate dive for a log and wrapped my leader up and broke free. That would be my only hook up with the golden bone that day... but I can't stop itching to get back out for some.

If you haven't given carp a look before... you need to reconsider. 

[TurbineBlade]

I've given carp a lot of looks.  I don't think there's a more wily, harder-fighting fish that swims.  Period.  I sometimes miss my oatmeal and jiffy corn muffin recipe (caught some up to 20 pounds on it by Belle Haven that I could barely lift with the landing net) but the challenge of getting one to take a fly is part of the enjoyment for me ;).  I haven't even come close to hooking one on the fly yet...but my time is coming!  Hopefully -- we'll see.  I always figure that even with mediocre skill that if you're on the water fishing enough (and I'm out there all the time), you'll eventually have a lucky day.  

I've never tried lock 7 or 8 but I hear both are excellent carp spots.  I just can't decide whether buying a MD license is worth it to me.  I think it's ridiculous how many licenses you need to fish within a 30 mile radius of this place.  Keeping up with the expiration dates is a lot more complex than it should be --

Gene

[Nedak]

I have been at the beach a bunch this summer and while kayak sw fishing has been my thing, I like the afternoons to sight fish for carp in Silver Lake.  Skinny water, you follow the mud trails and shadows.  I image its what bone fishing would be like if I ever got the chance.

I have hooked one each of the past 3 days only to have similar experiences of break offs after a few seconds. 

Curious, I was able to land one in June and actually saw him take the fly.     I can't remember how I set the hook, if it was strip set or lifting the tip but it was easy bc I saw him eat.

The past 3 days consisted of longer casts with the fly not visible.  Any suggestions on hook setting techniques?

FWIW, using 5 wt, w. 0x tippet leader. 

Thanks.

On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:57:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

[Nedak]

Also, taking suggestions on flies for carp.

On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:57:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

[Rob Snowhite]

Silver Lake = a must have reference to The Last Star Fighter

 

Rob Snowhite

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[Vic Velasco]

Hi.  My name is Vic and I am a carpaholic.

I look for ponds outside of shopping malls (some good ones near Richmond), shallow flats at local lakes/reservoirs, and under mulberry bushes  throughout the man-made waterways.  And I cast ugly flies while gawkers admire my killer fishing skills.

Unless I am on a wadable mud flat (which has been rare - it takes too long to wash the 4 Mile Run smell off my waders - and I won't wet wade there...), I prefer to use a stout tenkara rod for carp (Daiwa Kiyose 43MF). 

Check out www.flycarpin.com for carp fly recipes.  The simpler the fly the better is what I've found - my best carp fly is a bread fly that sits low in the water just under the surface.  Use the strongest hooks you can get (Gamakatsu SL-45 Bonefish hooks in size 8 and 10 are my hook of choice) - lesser hooks will get straightened.  

I have wrestled my share of bonefish.  The path I took to figuring out their patterns, learning to cast into the wind and how to keep up with them to prevent them from wrapping a coral head to break me off was months worth of focused energy.  I thought there wouldn't be anything like that again... that was until I found carp.  These prissy, stuck up fish let you know who the bosses are - and although their fighting style is not as punchy and snappy as a bonefish, carp have good kung fu -

I am a carpaholic

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[John Kaden]

Hi my name is John and I am a carpaholic trying to raise a carpaholic.

This beauty took a #6, white thread base, peacock hurl + wrapped in grizzled hackle.   I had it floating as he circled it, gave it a tug to drop in the water column and game on.  Great fight as he took me into the backing.   Fought him in skinny water for about 10mins.

Below is a pic of my 11 year old future carpaholic.  Quarters are too tight for him to fly cast but he hooked up 2 on light spin tackle. 

Great day at Silver Lake.

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[Jeffrey Silvan]

I went back out this past Saturday. Lock 7-8 was really muddy this time, to the point where I could no longer see the fly more than about 6 inches below the surface. I saw a few carp follow it, but couldn't tell if they actually bit since it was so murky, so I decided to try the downstream side of lock 7. The water was much, much clearer. More follows, no bites. I had a mom and young child stop to ask what I was going after, then about 5 minutes later the kid comes sprinting down the path to tell me he found a carp. Normally when people try to point out fish to me, I'd say thanks, I'll head that way soon, but I just couldn't not go back with the kid since he was so excited. He pointed out about a ~20 inch, 5 lb carp. Sure enough, the thing follows my fly on my first cast and swallows it and I nail him. He wasn't much of a fighter and seemed to prefer the dead weight style of battle, but still took me a decent amount of time to get him in. Of course, we got to the point I hadn't really thought about yet... What to do when I get the carp to the edge of the canal. I tried climbing down the edge, but still couldn't really get to it. I tried lifting him out by the leader, but of course that immediately snapped the line and he swam off.

What do you all do to actually get the carp out of the canal? I figure I need to start bringing a net, but I'm still not sure I could have reached him with a normal landing net.

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[Vic Velasco]

The way I get the ones I hook up with out of the canal and up onto the tow path is to take note of the nearest washout - areas eroded by rainwater and cleared of brush.  The washouts seem to be about a couple hundred feet apart - you can get down to the water much easier.  

Were the carp actively feeding when you were fishing?  With the cooler temps we've been having, my luck hasn't been as good.  I'll cast the fly nearly on top of the fish's head and I still won't get a take...

I went fishing at Gravelly Point this Sunday morning - I could see several carp, but they weren't interested in playing tug-o-war....

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[chopc...@gmail.com]

I have a 37" guide net that I use to land carp in the canal. However, depending on how high the bank is, the net can be a bit short at times. Sometimes, I'm dragging the carp by the leader into the net because 37" is not enough.

[Jeffrey Silvan]

Some of them were actively feeding. Those were the ones I got follows from, but couldn't tell if they bit since the water was too muddy. I rarely get a second glance from ones just hanging out, unless they're in a group. Then it is slightly less rare to get ones hanging out in a group to follow. I only say rare because the one I hooked was a solo guy, and didn't appear to be actively feeding either.

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I have a 37" guide net that I use to land carp in the canal.  However, depending on how high the bank is, the net can be a bit short at times.  Sometimes, I'm dragging the carp by the leader into the net because 37" is not enough.

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[Rob Snowhite]

The hammerhead net by Dave Maynard would work. Trying to get a pic of it #fishchat

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[Rob Snowhite]

Headed I Georgetown now with the family. Ill fish while they shop.

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[Rob Snowhite]

Dodgy version of the Hammerhead Net. I'll get a better one soon. I saw two big cruisers behind SeaCatch this morning. A HUGE largie was hanging out by the boat above lock 3. It and the carp refused my offerings.

On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:57:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

[Vic Velasco]

Rob -

It may be just me, but I didn't see the picture.

Vic

[Rob Snowhite]

Here's another try

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[Vic Velasco]

Nice carp - oh and nice net!

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:11:19 PM UTC-4, Rob Snowhite wrote:

Here's another try

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On Aug 28, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Vic Velasco <velasco...@gmail.com> wrote:

Rob -

It may be just me, but I didn't see the picture.

Vic

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:22:41 PM UTC-4, Rob Snowhite wrote:

Dodgy version of the Hammerhead Net. I'll get a better one soon. I saw two big cruisers behind SeaCatch this morning. A HUGE largie was hanging out by the boat above lock 3. It and the carp refused my offerings.



On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:57:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

Hi, my name is Jeff, and I'm a carp addict.

I'm not sure how I've missed out on carp for so long, but I got my first taste of carp on the fly on Saturday. I swung by Orvis and chatted with Dan on new places to try (locally, I rarely hit anywhere but 4MR), and he suggested trying carp at Lock 7. I took the advice, and ran into one of our fellow members, Jim (sorry if I'm remembering your name wrong). Jim was nice enough to give me the 411 on what to look for and how to attack them after I mentioned it was my first time.

The actual approach was incredibly similar to the limited flats fishing experience I have for tarpon. Find the fish, lead it, and don't screw up the cast. I spooked my fair share of fish, had at least one more spit the hook before finally getting my way. I had a very nice size one peel off the group after my fly. I watched the take and hit him. Unfortunately, the fight lasted no more than 10 seconds, since it took an immediate dive for a log and wrapped my leader up and broke free. That would be my only hook up with the golden bone that day... but I can't stop itching to get back out for some.

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[Josh Cohn]

Keep going between lock 6 and 7 with the fly rod and it will pay off big
time 11 pounder

[Jeffrey Silvan]

Josh - the picture came out as just a garbled, encrypted message, but I can imagine an 11 pounder must've been one heck of a fight!

How do the carp start reacting once the weather gets cooler, as we'll start seeing soon? Will they still be as easily targeted (not necessarily caught) in the C&O?

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Keep going between lock 6 and 7 with the fly rod and it will pay off big time 11 pounder

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[Josh Cohn]

so it did..
They drain the canal in the winter, last year they got so stacked up in 2-4 feet of water it was the best sight casting experience i think i will ever have, i had a lot of luck with size 6-4 weighted buggers and san juan worms red or green last november-feburary whenever the water wasnt to muddy

[Nedak]

What did you catch him on?  Type of fly...

On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:57:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

[Sparkr]

Jeff,

I'm a carp addict as well and fished last week in the Denver Carp Slam, something I've done for 4 of the 7 years it's been around.  You always learn something new.  I'm looking for more carp spots in the area as well, having fished at both Lock 7 and 4MR.  Love to hook up some time and share info.

Sparkr

On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:57:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

[Sparkr]

One thing I learned from the PRO I fished with this last week was using 1x flurocarbon leaders.  While my big fish threw the hook my line didn't break despite all the running around the fish attempted.

Steve

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[John Kaden]

Steve-

How about some flies that you use?  Looking for suggestions to tie.

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[Sparkr]

Nedak,

I typically use a black wolly bugger with green flash... it's been my "go to" for a host of species for a very long time... caught a Donaldson steelhead, rainbow and brown Labor day weekend all on the same fly fishing private waters in Empire, CO; and have hooked nearly all my carp catches on this fly.

Backstabber is also good as are some of the clouser minnows; 

What are you using?

STeve

On Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:35:25 AM UTC-4, Nedak wrote:

Steve-

How about some flies that you use?  Looking for suggestions to tie.

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One thing I learned from the PRO I fished with this last week was using 1x flurocarbon leaders.  While my big fish threw the hook my line didn't break despite all the running around the fish attempted.

Steve

On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:57:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

Hi, my name is Jeff, and I'm a carp addict.

I'm not sure how I've missed out on carp for so long, but I got my first taste of carp on the fly on Saturday. I swung by Orvis and chatted with Dan on new places to try (locally, I rarely hit anywhere but 4MR), and he suggested trying carp at Lock 7. I took the advice, and ran into one of our fellow members, Jim (sorry if I'm remembering your name wrong). Jim was nice enough to give me the 411 on what to look for and how to attack them after I mentioned it was my first time.

The actual approach was incredibly similar to the limited flats fishing experience I have for tarpon. Find the fish, lead it, and don't screw up the cast. I spooked my fair share of fish, had at least one more spit the hook before finally getting my way. I had a very nice size one peel off the group after my fly. I watched the take and hit him. Unfortunately, the fight lasted no more than 10 seconds, since it took an immediate dive for a log and wrapped my leader up and broke free. That would be my only hook up with the golden bone that day... but I can't stop itching to get back out for some.

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[John Kaden]

Carp shown in my pic was caught on a size 6 hook. It was a basic peacock hurl wrapped w. grizzled hackle.  I was fishing really skinny water where you could see their backs above the water in some spots.  They were hitting this white stuff that was blowing off the trees and slurping some other stuff on the surface.  I could manipulate the aforementioned fly and get it to sink enough in the water column to catch their attention.  In similar circumstances earlier in the year I caught one on a snoozberry fly, tied based upon fish and stream article.  My snobby fly fishing buddy said that snoozberry wasn't a real fly, hence the 2nd fly.

At Lock 7 I could not get them to eat anything as they were cruising when I fished for them not really eating.   I guess based upon the black wholly bugger, I am gonna tie a few with weights and few without.  Those without should float and then I can drop them in the water column at Lock 7.  After 10/1 I will have time to meet. Maybe then we can compare flies, styles and try to take down some golden potomac bones.

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[Rob Snowhite]

Don't think anyone around here fishes the backstabber fly. Looking forward to the canal brush dying back before I head out there again. 

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[Stephen Sparks]

John,

I've always used a weighted woolly bugger.  

I also have some floating cottonwood seedlings and a few floating mulberry bush berries imitations.

Steve

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[Jeffrey Silvan]

My go-to in the canal has been a bead head soft hackle. I keep meaning to tie up a non-bead head soft hackle that stays higher in the water column though. When the water is closer to chocolate milk, I have a very hard time giving the carp enough time to make the decision to eat before the fly drops out of sight and the strike is no longer detectable. 

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[Jeffrey Silvan]

So I got back out yesterday, and found myself in a dream situation... a mess of giant (smallest was probably 24" and most looked 30"+ - but then again, the biggest fish are always the ones that get away), actively feeding carp with not-too-muddy water, and a wide open space to backcast. Unfortunately, I came up empty. On two, I just timed the hook set poorly with the adrenaline, one I missed because a biker screamed at me to watch out (wasn't casting or anything) as I was watching a carp go after my fly (by the time I looked back after being startled, I saw the carp spit the fly), but my biggest problem was just not being able to see the fly. These guys were feeding so heavily, they silted up the water pretty quickly, but even before that, I kept watching carp follow my fly only to have it sink out of sight before they actually took it. I kept guessing (incorrectly) at the time to set the hook. Does anyone have any tricks to combat this? I even tied up a bunch of unweighted soft hackles, and the fly still sank too fast. 

[namfos]

I'm no carp expert, but how about some sort of indicator (a/k/a bobber) at the junction of line and leader? Piece of dayglow yarn, maybe?

Mark

[Jeffrey Silvan]

Yarn might be a good call, since that will probably hit the water fairly soft. I've stayed away from traditional strike indicators since they do tend to hit with a decent splash and seems like they'd spook the carp.

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I'm no carp expert, but how about some sort of indicator (a/k/a bobber) at the junction of line and leader? Piece of dayglow yarn, maybe?

Mark

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[John Kaden]

What about floatant on the fly to have it stay higher in the water column.  As for the set, I had same issues.  On the ones I did land, I saw the take and gave a quick strip set that elicited a crazy run.  I think anticipating the take and strip set works ok although I did foul hook a few.  I note, that when using bait, they usually picked it up and you could feel the tug so maybe the tight lines advice is best.

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[Jeffrey Silvan]

I tried flotant when I was using bead head flies, but it didn't seem to help enough. I didn't try it yesterday (admittedly, stupid to not at least give it a shot) because I was afraid it was just going to float it.

I've read in a lot of places that you can usually tell by watching the carp's body language once you're experienced enough. I tried that on one follow - my fly had sunk out of sight and I think was on the bottom - and set the hook when I saw the carp tip down. It felt like I stung him, but didn't get an actual hookset.

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[Stephen Sparks]

I think the timing associated with setting the hook is just part of carp fishing.  They quickly refuse what the recognize as non-organic.   

I missed more then one with bad timing at the recent Denver Carp Slam, but was successful listening to my pro/spotter on a long distance cast to a shadow tell me when to set; which successfully hooked the fish and started an incredible 10 minute fight.

I've hooked them using an indicator with a soft hackle non-weight fly dangling about 18 inches underneath, but I was still sight fishing from a bank and could seen them go after the fly.  I should say the indicator rarely indicated much....

Sparkr

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