Managing Classroom and Groups with GAM?

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Marlon Yu

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Jan 30, 2022, 7:06:12 PM1/30/22
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Hello everyone,

Reaching out to anyone in the group using GAM (particularly the ADV-XTD3 version) to manage their Classroom and Groups. How do you capture teacher and student changes (i.e. when teachers or students leave the class) and new class creation?

Our current script is as follows and while we remove all teachers and students from the corresponding group before re-adding them in to capture the changes, I don't think we can do that for classes because the current students who will be re-added will most likely lose current assignments / shared docs.

Any recommendations?

====== script starts ======

REM Create the corresponding Google Groups
gam csv "groups.csv" gam create group ~GRP_EMAIL name ~GRP_NAME description ~GRP_DESCRIPTION who_Can_View_Membership ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_VIEW who_Can_Post_Message ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_POST show_In_Group_Directory TRUE who_Can_Leave_Group ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_LEAVE who_Can_Discover_Group ALL_IN_DOMAIN_CAN_DISCOVER

REM Remove the current owners (this is for capturing teacher changes)
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL clear owner

REM Assign the utility account as owner to prevent orphaning the group when teacher accounts get disabled when they leave
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL add owner user utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz

REM Re-assign the current teachers of the class to the group
gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\teachers.csv" gam update group ~GROUP add owner user ~TEACHER

REM Remove the current students (this is done to capture the change where students leave the class)
gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL clear member

REM Re-add the current list of students taking the class
gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\students.csv" gam update group ~GROUP add member user ~STUDENT

REM Create the classes
gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\groups.csv" gam create course alias ~COURSE_ID teacher utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz name ~GRP_NAME

REM Make the utility account the owner to prevent the class from becoming orphaned when the teacher's account is disabled and they don't transfer the class to someone else
REM At the same time, mark the class ACTIVE or else the teacher will be asked to accept the class
gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\groups.csv" gam update course ~COURSE_ID owner utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz status ACTIVE

REM Add the current teachers into the class (multiple teachers may teach the same class)
gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\teachers.csv" gam course ~COURSE_ID add teacher ~TEACHER

REM Add the current students into the class
gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\students.csv" gam course ~COURSE_ID add student ~STUDENT

====== script ends ======

Marlon Yu, PMP, MIITP
IT Services Manager
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Marlon Yu

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Jan 30, 2022, 7:13:48 PM1/30/22
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Sorry, the code didn't paste right ... re-sending for readability

====== script starts ======

REM Create the corresponding Google Groups
gam csv "groups.csv" gam create group ~GRP_EMAIL name ~GRP_NAME description ~GRP_DESCRIPTION who_Can_View_Membership ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_VIEW who_Can_Post_Message ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_POST show_In_Group_Directory TRUE who_Can_Leave_Group ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_LEAVE who_Can_Discover_Group ALL_IN_DOMAIN_CAN_DISCOVER

REM Remove the current owners (this is for capturing teacher changes)
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL clear owner

REM Assign the utility account as owner to prevent orphaning the group when teacher accounts get disabled when they leave
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL add owner user utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz

REM Re-assign the current teachers of the class to the group
gam csv "teachers.csv" gam update group ~GROUP add owner user ~TEACHER

REM Remove the current students (this is done to capture the change where students leave the class)
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL clear member

REM Re-add the current list of students taking the class
gam csv "students.csv" gam update group ~GROUP add member user ~STUDENT

REM Create the classes
gam csv "groups.csv" gam create course alias ~COURSE_ID teacher utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz name ~GRP_NAME

REM Make the utility account the owner to prevent the class from becoming orphaned when the teacher's account is disabled and they don't transfer the class to someone else REM At the same time, mark the class ACTIVE or else the teacher will be asked to accept the class
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update course ~COURSE_ID owner utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz status ACTIVE

REM Add the current teachers into the class (multiple teachers may teach the same class)
gam csv "teachers.csv" gam course ~COURSE_ID add teacher ~TEACHER

REM Add the current students into the class
gam csv "students.csv" gam course ~COURSE_ID add student ~STUDENT

====== script ends ======

Marlon Yu, PMP, MIITP
IT Services Manager
Ph +64 (9) 477 0150 Ext 650



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Simon Wright

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Jan 30, 2022, 11:10:35 PM1/30/22
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We use/generate a master csv file and run a simple powershell script which calls a couple of GAM commands to generate the google classrooms...

So for the start of this year we use last years csv to go through and archive what are now last years classrooms before creating this years 2022 ones.
The archive script...

Import-Csv C:\Support\gclassroom\2021_archivelist.csv | ForEach-Object {

    Write-Host "Archiving Class: Alias: $($_.Alias)"
    gam update course "$($_.Alias)" status ARCHIVED

}



This is the main script to generate classes, add the teacher and a secondary teacher by way of the HoD then lastly sync'ing the class group to bring in all the students....

Import-Csv C:\Support\gclassroom\ StartOfYearGoogleClassrooms2022.csv   | ForEach-Object {
    Write-Host "Creating Class: Code: $($_.Code) | Name $($_.ClassName) | Teacher: $($_.TeacherEmail)"
    gam create course alias "$($_.Alias)" name "$($_.ClassName)" teacher "$($_.TeacherEmail)" status ACTIVE

    Write-Host "   Adding Teacher: $($_.HODEmail)"
    gam course "$($_.Alias)" add teacher "$($_.HODEmail)"

    Write-Host "   Syncing Class Group: $($_.StudentGroupEmail)"
    gam course "$($_.Alias)" sync students group "$($_.StudentGroupEmail)"

}



the spreadsheet/csv looks like this... 
image.png

Basic info exported (first 6 columns) direct from Kamar

Code column  =CONCATENATE(A2,"-",B2)
Alias column  =CONCATENATE("2022-",G2)
ClassName column  =CONCATENATE(A2," (",B2,") 2022")
StudentGroupEmail  =CONCATENATE(G2,"@obhs.school.nz")

The "TeacherEmail" & "HODEmail" columns i'll have to defer to Pete to answer as he is the one who generates this spreadsheet.

The "StudentGroupEmail" refers to the group to sync the class with. These groups with the same email address are managed/sync'd into AD using uSync and then onto Azure/Google.
image.png

Periodically, though daily this week, we run another script to keep the classes sync'd to the class groups....

Import-Csv C:\Support\gclassroom\StartOfYearGoogleClassrooms2022.csv | ForEach-Object {

    Write-Host "Syncing Class: Alias: $($_.Alias) | Group: $($_.StudentGroupEmail)"
    gam course "$($_.Alias)" sync students group "$($_.StudentGroupEmail)"

}


Hope this helps anyone else looking to add some automation to google classroom.
I am looking at adding support into uSync or perhaps a separate tool all together....but need to get the start of the year out the way first.


Regards,

Simon Wright




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Pete Eaton

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Jan 30, 2022, 11:49:21 PM1/30/22
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The spreadsheet that Simon is talking about is just Reports... Classes... Save as Spreadsheet.  
It doesn't give the teacher email - I do an export from staff and a VLOOKUP in excel to find the email address of each teacher.
I then create a couple of CONCATENATE formulas to build class names and email addresses of the student group that uSync/AD Sync creates for each class.
The HOD email I just put in manually - we decided that if a staff member was off due to illness or COVID, the HOD could post work to the class.

I should really create a custom report/export for it, but we only do it once a term or so.

Pete

Marlon Yu

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Jan 31, 2022, 5:14:39 AM1/31/22
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Thank you Simon.

Your StudentGroupEmail, is that the email of a Google Group that only contains students? If it is, how do you allow teachers to send to that group if they're not a member?

I tried using the “gam course ~COURSE_ID sync students group ~GOOGLE_GROUP_EMAIL” last year but had to discontinue it when it resulted in ALL users within the Google Group being synced (teachers who were owners of the group got added in as students).

Marlon Yu, PMP, MIITP
IT Services Manager
Ph +64 (9) 477 0150 Ext 650



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Sent: Monday, 31 January 2022 5:10 pm
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Subject: Re: [techies-for-schools] RE: Managing Classroom and Groups with GAM?


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We use/generate a master csv file and run a simple powershell script which calls a couple of GAM commands to generate the google classrooms...

So for the start of this year we use last years csv to go through and archive what are now last years classrooms before creating this years 2022 ones.
The archive script...

Import-Csv C:\Support\gclassroom\2021_archivelist.csv | ForEach-Object {

Write-Host "Archiving Class: Alias: $($_.Alias)"
gam update course "$($_.Alias)" status ARCHIVED

}


This is the main script to generate classes, add the teacher and a secondary teacher by way of the HoD then lastly sync'ing the class group to bring in all the students....

Import-Csv C:\Support\gclassroom\ StartOfYearGoogleClassrooms2022.csv | ForEach-Object {
Write-Host "Creating Class: Code: $($_.Code) | Name $($_.ClassName) | Teacher: $($_.TeacherEmail)"
gam create course alias "$($_.Alias)" name "$($_.ClassName)" teacher "$($_.TeacherEmail)" status ACTIVE

Write-Host " Adding Teacher: $($_.HODEmail)"
gam course "$($_.Alias)" add teacher "$($_.HODEmail)"

Write-Host " Syncing Class Group: $($_.StudentGroupEmail)"
gam course "$($_.Alias)" sync students group "$($_.StudentGroupEmail)"

}


the spreadsheet/csv looks like this...


Basic info exported (first 6 columns) direct from Kamar

Code column =CONCATENATE(A2,"-",B2)
Alias column =CONCATENATE("2022-",G2)
ClassName column =CONCATENATE(A2," (",B2,") 2022")
StudentGroupEmail =CONCATENATE(G2,"@http://obhs.school.nz")

The "TeacherEmail" & "HODEmail" columns i'll have to defer to Pete to answer as he is the one who generates this spreadsheet.

The "StudentGroupEmail" refers to the group to sync the class with. These groups with the same email address are managed/sync'd into AD using https://www.usync.nzand then onto Azure/Google.


Periodically, though daily this week, we run another script to keep the classes sync'd to the class groups....

Import-Csv C:\Support\gclassroom\StartOfYearGoogleClassrooms2022.csv | ForEach-Object {

Write-Host "Syncing Class: Alias: $($_.Alias) | Group: $($_.StudentGroupEmail)"
gam course "$($_.Alias)" sync students group "$($_.StudentGroupEmail)"

}


Hope this helps anyone else looking to add some automation to google classroom.
I am looking at adding support into uSync or perhaps a separate tool all together....but need to get the start of the year out the way first.


Regards,

Simon Wright


On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 13:13, 'Marlon Yu' via Techies for schools <mailto:techies-f...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Sorry, the code didn't paste right ... re-sending for readability

====== script starts ======

REM Create the corresponding Google Groups
gam csv "groups.csv" gam create group ~GRP_EMAIL name ~GRP_NAME description ~GRP_DESCRIPTION who_Can_View_Membership ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_VIEW who_Can_Post_Message ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_POST show_In_Group_Directory TRUE who_Can_Leave_Group ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_LEAVE who_Can_Discover_Group ALL_IN_DOMAIN_CAN_DISCOVER

REM Remove the current owners (this is for capturing teacher changes)
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL clear owner

REM Assign the utility account as owner to prevent orphaning the group when teacher accounts get disabled when they leave
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL add owner user mailto:utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz

REM Re-assign the current teachers of the class to the group
gam csv "teachers.csv" gam update group ~GROUP add owner user ~TEACHER

REM Remove the current students (this is done to capture the change where students leave the class)
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL clear member

REM Re-add the current list of students taking the class
gam csv "students.csv" gam update group ~GROUP add member user ~STUDENT

REM Create the classes
gam csv "groups.csv" gam create course alias ~COURSE_ID teacher mailto:utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz name ~GRP_NAME

REM Make the utility account the owner to prevent the class from becoming orphaned when the teacher's account is disabled and they don't transfer the class to someone else REM At the same time, mark the class ACTIVE or else the teacher will be asked to accept the class
gam csv "groups.csv" gam update course ~COURSE_ID owner mailto:utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz status ACTIVE

REM Add the current teachers into the class (multiple teachers may teach the same class)
gam csv "teachers.csv" gam course ~COURSE_ID add teacher ~TEACHER

REM Add the current students into the class
gam csv "students.csv" gam course ~COURSE_ID add student ~STUDENT

====== script ends ======

Marlon Yu, PMP, MIITP
IT Services Manager
Ph +64 (9) 477 0150 Ext 650



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Subject: [techies-for-schools] Managing Classroom and Groups with GAM?

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Hello everyone,

Reaching out to anyone in the group using GAM (particularly the ADV-XTD3 version) to manage their Classroom and Groups. How do you capture teacher and student changes (i.e. when teachers or students leave the class) and new class creation?

Our current script is as follows and while we remove all teachers and students from the corresponding group before re-adding them in to capture the changes, I don't think we can do that for classes because the current students who will be re-added will most likely lose current assignments / shared docs.

Any recommendations?

====== script starts ======

REM Create the corresponding Google Groups gam csv "groups.csv" gam create group ~GRP_EMAIL name ~GRP_NAME description ~GRP_DESCRIPTION who_Can_View_Membership ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_VIEW who_Can_Post_Message ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_POST show_In_Group_Directory TRUE who_Can_Leave_Group ALL_MANAGERS_CAN_LEAVE who_Can_Discover_Group ALL_IN_DOMAIN_CAN_DISCOVER

REM Remove the current owners (this is for capturing teacher changes) gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL clear owner

REM Assign the utility account as owner to prevent orphaning the group when teacher accounts get disabled when they leave gam csv "groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL add owner user mailto:utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz

REM Re-assign the current teachers of the class to the group gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\teachers.csv" gam update group ~GROUP add owner user ~TEACHER

REM Remove the current students (this is done to capture the change where students leave the class) gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\groups.csv" gam update group ~GRP_EMAIL clear member

REM Re-add the current list of students taking the class gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\students.csv" gam update group ~GROUP add member user ~STUDENT

REM Create the classes
gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\groups.csv" gam create course alias ~COURSE_ID teacher mailto:utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz name ~GRP_NAME

REM Make the utility account the owner to prevent the class from becoming orphaned when the teacher's account is disabled and they don't transfer the class to someone else REM At the same time, mark the class ACTIVE or else the teacher will be asked to accept the class gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\groups.csv" gam update course ~COURSE_ID owner mailto:utility...@cloud.rangitoto.school.nz status ACTIVE

REM Add the current teachers into the class (multiple teachers may teach the same class) gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\teachers.csv" gam course ~COURSE_ID add teacher ~TEACHER

REM Add the current students into the class gam csv "C:\SQLCMD_scripts\Google Groups\students.csv" gam course ~COURSE_ID add student ~STUDENT

====== script ends ======

Marlon Yu, PMP, MIITP
IT Services Manager
Ph +64 (9) 477 0150 Ext 650



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Simon Wright

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Correct, the members of those AD groups which are sync'd into google only contain students as members. The teacher is set as the manager of the AD group which gets sync'd via gcds as the group owner.
This of course doesn't work for multiple teachers as an AD group can only have one manager.

As for sending to said group....most staff don't do this as they will post something to the classroom. But if they have been sync'd as the owner, then yes it does work to email the group.

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Steve Smith

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Good morning folks,
We have an opportunity to trial a roster sync tool that has just been released that will sync your class lists (rosters in the US) to classrom via an API integration with Workspace for Education plus schools using an intermediary product called kimono.
There is a whole lot of info at https://support.google.com/edu/classroom/answer/11546369?p=kimono&import-feature and if you would like to be put in touch with the beta team for this please let me know by either email or by commenting here. 
best regards
Steve

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Hi Steve

What is the cost for this as I'm guessing kimono (yet another service we have to sign up for) is going to have a cost associated with it. And the big question, does it work with Kamar directly rather than having to export CSV files and import them which when you have a lot of students there are a lot of changes and having to do that every day is a real pain and so last decade 

Steve Smith

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Hi,
The kimono addon is free for Workspace schools and at the moment is only available for a CSV upload from Kamar as a setup step for the beginning of the year which is less than optimal for us.
 We are hoping to change that ASAP and the product team working on this are getting that feedback frequently from me.
I realise that in the next month class lists change almost everyday so this is not as useful as it could be and I am doing all I can to get Our Main SMSs in NZ supported with a connector. 
If people are keen to try it you will be able to give direct feedback to the team direct.
The SMS onboarded currently are below 
info for setup is at google.kimonocloud.com Screenshot 2022-02-03 11.10.12.png
Best regrads
Steve

Jake Wills

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Feb 3, 2022, 4:09:37 PM2/3/22
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If it's helpful, we use PAROT to sync our Google Classrooms from KAMAR using the directory services.
Changes made in KAMAR are automatically synced into the Google Classrooms on an hourly basis, so are kept pretty much up to date constantly.
You can see more here: https://www.parot.nz/
(Full disclosure: I wrote PAROT... so not trying to do a sales pitch, just letting you know what we use)

Steve Smith

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Feb 10, 2022, 3:55:21 PM2/10/22
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Hi All,
The Sync i listed above via Kimono (now called elevate data sync) is live with PCSchool. They have an active link between PCSchool and Classroom that syncs every night at 7pm. 
There is info on this at This Link 
We have early access  available to interested PCschool users in NZ.
Please get in touch  if you are interested via This Google Form
Nga Mihi
Steve

PS. info on our new Google Techies Group will be released soon  

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