[Next Project] The Dead Letter by Seeley Regester or Metta Victoria Fuller Victor

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Igor Dikiy

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Dec 18, 2025, 5:31:51 PM12/18/25
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I’d like to pitch another Haycraft Queen Cornerstones book.  Not sure about which author name to go with. 


I think there are a few illustrations so I will have to learn how to do that. 

Alex Cabal

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OK, sure. You can use the name Metta Victor since it looks like she
wrote under many pen names. Cut the illustrations, they are just
decorative. Send a link to your repo once you start!
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Igor Dikiy

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This book has a subtitle, how do we deal with those?  Looks like it would only show up in the halftitlepage?

Alex Cabal

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OK, Weijia will manage with Emma reviewing.

Since Weijia is away I'll handle things for now.

Subtitles only appear in the book text if there's a half title. If not
then they don't appear. However, they always are included in the
metadata, see the manual for how to structure subtitles in metadata.

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> Here's the repo: https://github.com/idikiy/metta-victor_the-dead-letter
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> This book has a subtitle, how do we deal with those?  Looks like it
> would only show up in the halftitlepage?
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> On Thursday, December 18, 2025 at 5:43:02 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
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> OK, sure. You can use the name Metta Victor since it looks like she
> wrote under many pen names. Cut the illustrations, they are just
> decorative. Send a link to your repo once you start!
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> On 12/18/25 4:31 PM, Igor Dikiy wrote:
> > I’d like to pitch another Haycraft Queen Cornerstones book.  Not
> sure
> > about which author name to go with.
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> > PG transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46708
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46708>
> > IA page scans: https://archive.org/details/
> deadletterameric00victiala/ <https://archive.org/details/
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> > page/n10/mode/1up?ref=ol
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Igor Dikiy

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I believe this book was published in the US first, so the language should be en-US instead of en-GB, right?

Vince

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Where it was published is irrelevant, the spelling in the text drives the language. Create draft assigns the language based on looking for a few British spellings in the text, e.g. colour, honour. If the spellings are predominantly British, then the language is en-GB; if not, it’s en-US.

Igor Dikiy

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Thanks, Vince.  I didn't know create-draft did that.  So the instructions in the step-by-step guide (step 8) is more of a check, then?

Thanks,
Igor

Vince

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Yes. It was written before create-draft did its check, but occasionally a manual update is still needed. Sometimes books have a mixture of spellings, e.g. both color and colour, and which one is predominate is chosen for the language. Even so, the Step by Step refers to the spelling in the text, not the location of the publisher, so it still points to the text, not the location of the publisher.

Igor Dikiy

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Dec 28, 2025, 10:07:29 PM12/28/25
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Thanks, Vince, got it.

Alex or Weijia, I've got a comma in between two quotation marks that I believe is correctly placed, or should it go inside both of them?
“Don’t ‘slay me with a look’,” he said, laughing quietly.

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Igor

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Vince

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I believe Wejia is still unavailable for a bit.

Commas and periods go inside all quotes in US English; it should be
“Don’t ’slay me with a look,’” he said, laughing quietly.
Typogrify will put a hairspace between the two closing quotes so they’re easier to see.

Igor Dikiy

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Thanks, Vince.

This transcription also has a lot of "class" elements in the ,p. code.  Those should all go, right? See below for example.
<p class="c010">We now lighted our lamp, and, finding a light cane sofa in the hall, nearly opposite the locked door, we took seats, and kept ourselves awake by talking. The storm had subsided into the monotonous patter of a steady rain.</p>
                        <p class="c011">“I am surprised,” said <abbr epub:type="z3998:name-title">Mr.</abbr> Burton

And there also a baby that says "“An-nee<2060>—an-nee,” should those be non-breaking hyphens?

Thanks!
Igor

Robin Whittleton

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Yes, and yes.

-Robin

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Thanks.  A couple of questions about xml:lang elements. Are the following required?
- la for vice versa
- la for sotto voce
- fr for "dénoûement"
- fr for "mêlée"
- es for peons




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Igor Dikiy

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Thanks, guys.  That is actually fairly obvious.

I do have a question about the denouement case: The word appears twice in the transcription, both times italiziced; once as dénoûement and once as dénouement.  The second can be found in M-W and thus does not need to be italicized (and may even be better off without the accent mark, but I guess that would be an Editorial change?).  The first does not appear in M-W as written, although I'm not sure it was transcribed correctly (see page scan clip below):
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Should I normalize them both to one of the versions in M-W, denouement or dénouement?  And if so, is that an Editorial change?

On a related note, there's an instance of the word hocus-pocus appearing in quotes and italicized.  Since that is not a foreign word, it does not need to be italicized?  I don't think it's special emphasis, the sentence is as follows:
I could hardly credit my own senses; there must be some “<i>hocus-pocus</i>” about it, as in the tricks which jugglers play with cards.


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Vince

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When it comes to italicization, it’s best to start from the place that what the source scans do is immaterial—it’s what SEMoS says that matters. There are a (very) few exceptions to that, but they are very few. As you note, if it’s not emphasis (and I agree it doesn’t appear to be), there’s no reason for hocus-pocus to be italicized, ergo (per SEMoS) it shouldn’t be.

Re denouement, if the one with the single diacritic were the only one, then I would personally leave it; even though it’s less common, it is in M-W. However, in this case, where you’re going to have to touch them anyway to standardize them, I would normalize them both to have no diacritics, since that’s the more common spelling. And since it is changing text, then yes, it’s editorial.


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> Thanks, guys. That is actually fairly obvious.
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> I do have a question about the denouement case: The word appears twice in the transcription, both times italiziced; once as dénoûement and once as dénouement. The second can be found in M-W and thus does not need to be italicized (and may even be better off without the accent mark, but I guess that would be an Editorial change?). The first does not appear in M-W as written, although I'm not sure it was transcribed correctly (see page scan clip below):

Alex Cabal

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You can normalize them to no italics or accent marks. You can also
remove quotes and italics from hocus-pocus. Both should be editorial.

On 12/30/25 10:33 AM, Igor Dikiy wrote:
> Thanks, guys.  That is actually fairly obvious.
>
> I do have a question about the denouement case: The word appears twice
> in the transcription, both times italiziced; once as dénoûement and once
> as dénouement.  The second can be found in M-W and thus does not need to
> be italicized (and may even be better off without the accent mark, but I
> guess that would be an Editorial change?).  The first does not appear in
> M-W as written, although I'm not sure it was transcribed correctly (see
> page scan clip below):
> image.png
> Should I normalize them both to one of the versions in M-W, denouement
> or dénouement?  And if so, is that an Editorial change?
>
> On a related note, there's an instance of the word hocus-pocus
> appearing in quotes and italicized.  Since that is not a foreign word,
> it does not need to be italicized?  I don't think it's special emphasis,
> the sentence is as follows:
> I could hardly credit my own senses; there must be some “<i>hocus-
> pocus</i>” about it, as in the tricks which jugglers play with cards.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 2:32 AM Vince <vr_se...@letterboxes.org
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> See SEMoS 8.2.9.4 <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.5/single-
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>> On Dec 30, 2025, at 10:19 AM, Igor Dikiy <idi...@gmail.com
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>> Thanks.  A couple of questions about xml:lang elements. Are the
>> following required?
>> - la for vice versa
>> - la for sotto voce
>> - fr for "dénoûement"
>> - fr for "mêlée"
>> - es for peons
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Thanks, all.

In this book a lot of times are written with commas after the time before A.M. or P.M. I believe we just style those with spaces and no commas?  If so, is removing the commas an editorial change?  Or should I just keep it?

E.g. "which we reached about two, A. M. and were at Mr. Burton’s house, ringing up the surprised servants, shortly after."

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Remove as editorial

On 12/31/25 10:56 AM, Igor Dikiy wrote:
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> In this book a lot of times are written with commas after the time
> before A.M. or P.M. I believe we just style those with spaces and no
> commas?  If so, is removing the commas an editorial change?  Or should I
> just keep it?
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> E.g. "which we reached about two, A. M. and were at Mr. Burton’s house,
> ringing up the surprised servants, shortly after."
>
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> >>     - la for sotto voce
> >>     - fr for "dénoûement"
> >>     - fr for "mêlée"
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I'm having some trouble getting the break between stanzas of a poem/verse to look correct, as below:
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I don't have <br\> line after the end of the first stanza, and I'm starting a new <p> element but there's no break between them.

Thanks for any help, and happy new year!
Igor

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Hendrik Kaiber

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Did you add the CSS for poetry?

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Igor Dikiy

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Thanks, I did add the following to local.css.  I thought it would be enough, but maybe I am missing something?  Is there a central location where I can get the common CSS styles?  Or maybe it's just a matter of the xhtml files not being displayed properly (I haven't built the epub yet).

[epub|type~="z3998:poem"] p{
        text-align: initial;
        text-indent: 0;
}

[epub|type~="z3998:poem"] p > span{
        display: block;
        padding-left: 1em;
        text-indent: -1em;
}

[epub|type~="z3998:poem"] p > span + br{
        display: none;
}

[epub|type~="z3998:poem"] p + p{
        margin-top: 1em;
}

p span.i1{
        padding-left: 2em;
        text-indent: -1em;
}

p span.i2{
        padding-left: 3em;
        text-indent: -1em;
}

p span.i4{
        padding-left: 5em;
        text-indent: -1em;
}

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Well, look at the selectors you pasted in.
[epub|type~="z3998:poem"] p + p will give your stanzas a top margin...
IF you used the z3998:poem semantic. Did you use that semantic, or a
different one? You must tailor the CSS to fit your actual ebook.
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Thanks, Alex.  I got it working now.  I had to update the selector to epub|type~="z3998:verse" because that's what I had.


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Another question about a letter (the all-important dead letter of the title):

Is there any way to format it more closely to how it appears in the scans?  Or is this good enough?
image.png
image.png

Also, does "Negotiator" get both "sender" and "signature" semantic inflection?  It's not a name after all.

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Igor

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That looks fine. It can have both semantics, yes.

On 1/1/26 4:46 PM, Igor Dikiy wrote:
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> title):
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> Is there any way to format it more closely to how it appears in the
> scans?  Or is this good enough?
> image.png
> image.png
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> Also, does "Negotiator" get both "sender" and "signature" semantic
> inflection?  It's not a name after all.
>
> Best,
> Igor
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A modernize-spelling question:
It turns reëmbarked into reembarked, but I can't find either in M-W.

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That's fine, follow what modernize-spelling does
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Just as an update, I am now starting the proofread.  I am keeping an eye out for potential cover art.  I haven't read the story yet but I think it will be something with a letter, post office, or some view of late 19th century/early 20th century NYC or environs.

For books with "Parts," but no half title page, is the epub supposed to open at "Part I" by default?

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Each ereader decides where to open the book, that's not something that
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Hi Igor,

I hope that the project is going well! I was on a family vacation when this project was assigned but now that I am back, I will be available to answer questions for the rest of the project. Let us know when you have decided on cover art.

Thanks!

Igor Dikiy

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Thanks Weijia, I hope you had a good break.  The project is going well; I am about halfway through proofreading it.

For the art, I am currently leaning toward Rack Picture for Dr. Nones which is already in the database: https://standardebooks.org/artworks/william-a-mitchell/rack-picture-for-dr-nones

I think it's pretty fitting because the book starts with the discovery of a letter (the titular dead letter); however, I am unsure whether the letter will continue to be important throughout.  I also don't love that you can read the names on the envelopes and it's obviously unrelated to the book.  I will update with more options after I finish reading.

Potential mockup:
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Alex Cabal

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I suggest leaving that artwork for a book that is more letter-focused.
There are lots of books that start with a letter but very little
paintings ABOUT letters, so we should save it for a book in which
letters are a primary focus.

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> I am about halfway through proofreading it.
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> letter will continue to be important throughout.  I also don't love that
> you can read the names on the envelopes and it's obviously unrelated to
> the book.  I will update with more options after I finish reading.
>
> Potential mockup:
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Hi Weijia, all,

I think I have a good candidate for cover art.  The painting is Rain on the River by George Bellows.  There's a lot of Bellows' work in the database, so public domain proof is pretty straightforward:


It's a good fit because:
- Much of the book takes place in a village by the Hudson River
- They are constantly taking trains up and down from NYC
- The book starts with a murder on the path from the train station in the rain

It is from 1908 so it's about 50 years later than the action of the book; otherwise I think it's good.  Happy to hear any opinions.

Some mockups are attached:

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Weijia Cheng

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Looks good to me. In this case the painting also happens to be at RISD which is a CC0 museum: https://risdmuseum.org/art-design/collection/rain-river-15063

Igor Dikiy

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Thanks, Weijia.

I have a few questions as I am starting to work through potential issues found on the read-through.  To start:

- There's a few words such as reäction and reäppearance with the diaresis - should that be standardized to no diacritic marks?
- I guess back in the 1870s they did not capitalize "street" in "Wall Street" and other similar street names (see screenshot from page scans, this is consistent in the whole book).  Does this need to be updated or can stay the same as the original?

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1. Yes, you can remove the diaresis in an editroial commit.
2. You can also modernize that in an editorial commit.

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Thanks, Weijia.

A couple more variable things:

1. Another finding (this may be a case for se modernize-spelling?): apparently "vail" is an old variant of "veil."  I didn't find it in M-W, but it's used throughout this book, e.g. "She has put on the robe and vail," "I felt no hesitation in unvailing to him," "doubtless hidden in her vail," and others.

Do we change this to "veil" and variants thereof?

2. There seems to be a printer's error? in the book regarding the name "Nora," which is sometimes spelled with an h.  The confusing thing is that there are two characters: the cook, first introduced as Norah, and a little girl, called Nora.  Usually the girl is referred to as "Nora" or "little Nora," so it is obvious who is meant.  There are 3 instances of the girl definitely being referred to as Norah (e.g. "I don’t care to take Norah out in the storm," "Am I Norah’s mother?" and "carrying Norah in his arms").  There are 16 instances of Nora without the h referring to the girl.  It's a bit more confusing because the girl's mother, deceased, is also called Nora and there's ~10 references to her too.  Is there justification for changing the three instances of "Norah" that definitely refer to the girl to "Nora," or keep it as is?

Thanks!
Igor

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1. You can modernize that in an editorial commit.
2. I think you can make an editorial commit that corrects those three instances.
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